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General British politics discussion thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,018 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    i do care what they think however i have to recognise the realities as well.
    personally the islanders being able to return home with moritious giving them independance would be the best course of action, and britain allowing them to keep their british citizenship as it owes them.
    then america can do a deal with the islanders over the use of the military base if they want a base there so badly.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,082 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Mauritius do not give a flying fig about the Chagossians.

    It is transferring the territory from one colonial power to a wannabe colonial power. There is nothing righteous or right about it. And the legal judgement itself it a) non-binding and b) based on the self same colonial power structure. The UN, ICJ and UK are all ignoring the desires of the Chagossians.

    So yeah, I don't care what they say. It is a terrible deal with no legal or moral standing and it is absurd that both the Tories and Labour have pursued it.

    Mauritius seems to intend to mostly just sell it off to China at the first opportunity so it is strategically stupid to top it all off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,018 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    no it is ending an illegal occupation and returning the territory to the country it has been legally recognised to be part of.
    the UN and ICJ are enforcing international law, only the UK can agree to grant the islanders wish to remain british citizens but the territory cannot remain british under international law + britain cannot afford to keep it anyway.

    it's also not strategic in any way, that was just empire nonsense to justify the stealing of these people's homeland, their extremely brutal expulsion which involved brutal criminality, and the continued illegal occupation of the territory.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,082 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    An illegal occupation of empty rocks? It is a nonsensical theory. Mauritius has no claim to the islands - it had nothing to do with them whatsoever before they were colonised.

    The expulsion was bad. This deal does literally nothing to correct it, it just gives the land to someone else to occupy over the will of the native population. Those who were expulsed are not in favour of it. It is quite literally worse for them than the current situation. I can not fathom any reason to support it other than a reflexive anti-British sentiment. It sure as hell is not anti-colonialist to have world powers dictate the ownership of land over the objections of those who were natives there.

    There is no moral argument whatsoever for the deal being good and there is no legal one either, as the ICJ ruling was advisory only.

    The only problem here is that the Labour government have continued on with this farce for as long as they have



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,018 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    international law says otherwise, it trumps empire beliefs.
    moritious has a full claim and britain has none.
    views are split across the world's chagossian community as to what should happen.
    the ICJ ruling was a ruling of fact, so it being advisery is just a technical thing really, it is still stating the correct legalities.
    the remains of the british empire have to go back to the countries the territories belong to.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,300 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    "the islands have to go, as do the malvinas and gibraltar ETC"

    Do the people of these places not get a say in this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,018 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    no, they don't need one as they can be allowed to keep their british citizenship and continue to have the same rights to migrate to britain if they want.

    it's simply that the illegally occupied territories have to be returned to their countries of ownership.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,082 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Falkland Islanders and Gibraltans don't want to migrate to Britain. Nor do Chagossians. They want to live in their homes.

    This is an hilariously colonialist position to take. "Silence silly locals, we are deciding what happens to your country"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,018 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    and the malvina islanders and gibraltans can live in their homes, the territories simply have to return to their countries of ownership and can no longer be occupied by a country which still has notions of empire.
    it is britain preventing the chagossians from living in their homeland due to racism.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Chagossians want to live in Chagos. This plan at least allows this. They will at least be in a better position then they were before.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,300 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    How can someone from Gibraltar or Falklands have the same rights as British citizens when they would be living under Spanish or Argentiniam rule/laws?

    If it was decided tomorrow that NI was reuniting with ROI would it be ok for NI citizens to only follow British rules/laws?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,018 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    no what i said is that they will have the same rights as britains in relation to british citizenship, being able to go to and from or live in britain ETC, ultimately they will have to live under and abide by the laws of their actual home countries.
    ultimately if they want the full british experience then they will have to go live there, or they can stay in their homeland but will have to accept the british empire is gone and illegal occupation of the territories will have to end.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,300 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Britain will never give up the Falklands or Gibraltar and the people would never accept being ruled by Spain.or Argentina



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,217 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    .

    You're trying to reason with someone who has their own impenetrable alternate reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,300 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Ohhhhh I'm well aware of that particular poster 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,018 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    britain eventually won't have a choice.
    paying for these over seas territories so it can still pretend it is a minny empire and a billy big military super power while everything else in the country is tanking is no longer going to be tolerated.
    the people living in the illegally occupied territories will have to accept the illegal occupations will have to end, they don't have to accept being ruled by ireland spain and argentina but it will be the price for remaining.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,082 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Do you have any argument for why the Falklands should be Argentinean beyond "small island kinda close to big county should belong to them"?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,018 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    yes, their occupation is illegal, britain has no legitimate claim to them but just empire nonsense, the islands contribute nothing to the british economy and are to expensive to keep and take up a disproportionate amount of military assets that could be used to defend britain itself meaning no high tax raises and public service cuts for military spending.

    as part of argentina they can contribute to it's economy and any resources if they exist can be extracted to benefit all of the argentine people including the islanders once the current headbanger is gone.

    it's a win win for all.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭Randycove




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,300 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,783 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    This guy should be ashamed to be associating himself with Trump for several reasons.

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    This week, Trump was slapped back by the US Supreme Court with respect to Tariffs, there continues to be a growing focus on the content of the Epstein Files demanding the agencies in various countries take action to hold the perpetrators of various crimes to account and this Board of Peace is a rats nest of characters who are actively undermining the UN and helping justify the actions of a criminal who is intent on stealing 10B from US taxpayers which he will control as the head of this board for the rest of his life.

    And all that aside, if Blair was truly interested and well intentioned to the party he won 3 general elections for, he would recognize it doesn't help the party to see him in the news in this way, being associated with that guy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I think he actually believes this is his way to make up for the Iraq war. He is so delusional that he thinks this organisation will achieve anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,783 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Best thing I heard about it was it should be spelled, "Bored of Peace".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,997 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    It’s said that Tony Blair thought he was Jesus. At least Jesus never thought he was Tony Blair

    Emma Brockes Guardian



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,018 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    argentina owns them.

    and they are actually called the malvinas, the falklands is just an empire colonialist name.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭Randycove




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,018 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    because they are part of argentina's territory and always have been through the various administrations.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭Randycove




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,018 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    see my previous post as to why.

    no it's just fact, reality and geography, you can't pick up territory and just move it.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,300 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr




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