Enough time has gone by for us to gain some perspective without forgetting what it was like. Any lessons learnt?
I read that just now and it is not surprising at all. Of course cancer deaths wouldn’t have increased much in 2020 or 2021. Why would they? We didn’t stop treating people that had cancer. That would have been unforgivable.
But it says that there was a dramatic decrease in new diagnosis’s due to not screening and they didn’t get back on track until 2022.
What would be really interesting to know is what impact did those missed diagnosis’s have? How many people died or suffered more than needed from 2022 - present due to missed diagnosis?
As I mentioned, overall deaths have increased from 2022 onwards.
Remember, the lockdown mantra was that if it saved even one life then it was all worth it. But maybe we didn’t care too much about all the people in that period that may have cancer.
Who needs facts and figures when you have feelz?
Temporary lockdowns were to save national health systems, not just lives. ICU's at points were hitting max capacity, globally an estimated 80k to 180k medical professionals died as a result of Covid. In India people were dying on hospital steps because they ran out of oxygen. In Brazil patients suffocated to death because they ran out of oxygen, hospitals had to stop admitting new patients. In New York (some of the best equipped hospitals in the world) they had to resort to using refrigeration trucks as morgues - EMS times doubled.
As a reminder, in a collapsing system cancer patients do not get treated.
i know someone that died from cancer during covid, their treatment and supports was scaled back, leaving me to believe, they died from so, but who knows
All of our European neighbours were more than capable of managing the pandemic without having to lockdown as strictly as Ireland did for 2 years.
We were a laughing stock losing out on the Euros. Most of Europe was back fully open for business while Tony was very concerned because some people were drinking outdoors. Our own Taoiseach at the time was over at a festival in the UK while restrictions remained in place here.
We lost the run of ourselves
Exactly, especially when one is about as factual as the other.
I have lots of disparate feelings going back to covid times. One that comes to mind is the ludicrous nature of mandatory vaccine cards. Consider the following, a costa restaurant dining space shared airspace - you needed a mandatory card to sit down but you could queue and buy takeout without the card. Its great that covid knew to respect the queue!
Remember, the lockdown mantra was that if it saved even one life then it was all worth it.
It absolutely was not the mantra. 100% was not and I don't know where you got that from.
Flu will probably kill about 1,000 Irish people this winter and no-one will bat an eyelid, let alone propose any restrictions. We are always making judgement calls on balancing risk when it comes to healthcare.
Lockdowns were designed to limit the spread of a brand-new virus to which none of us had any immunity, to prevent MASS deaths and to protect the health service from being overwhelmed.
costa restaurant dining space shared airspace
I had to read this five time to know what the hell you meant.
Its great that covid knew to respect the queue!
It didn't.
But getting a takeaway, you would also have kept your mask on for the duration of your visit, which isn't the case if you sat down and drink the coffee on site.
And in the time it took you to queue, get your coffee and leave, you would have breathed a fraction of Covid particles into the air compared to if you had sat down for half an hour, you'd have coughed and sneezed over a fraction of the surfaces, and you'd have interacted with a fraction of the number of people and so dramatically reduced your chances of infecting someone.
It was a perfectly logical risk reduction measure.
One thing Covid definitely taught me is the mental gymnastics some people will undertake to justify even the most ridiculous of Covid restrictions.
I'm sure things like this happened, but no one planned it. When a country is trying to make rules on the fly for a pandemic in a fluid situation there will always be issues and cross-overs like this.
As for the mandatory vaccine rules - it wasn't known for sure if/how Covid would mutate or whether it would be one and done (like Smallpox). In the end it mutated and we didn't require mandatory vaccines. Thankfully most adults got vaccinated.
Ceramic cups for the certified, outdoors only with a paper cup for the soon to be dead. Bonkers behavior from Costa.
Listen, you can agree with it or not, I'm just explaining the scientific rationale behind it because the other poster did not understand it.
To be honest, I loved the vaccine mandate because it meant I didn't have to share any public space with selfish cnuts for a while.
It thought others just how outright daft some people were and rather than try and educate themselves they chose to double down on stupid. It was hilarious seeing some of the meltdowns and "ideas" the anti-crew had.
Yeah, but which side was being selfish? lol, loved poking them to get the reaction, still do, it's mad craic.
Yes, it's quite clear you loved the various nonsensical rules and mandates all right.
Personally I found it chilling how easily our democratic rights and freedoms were removed at the whim of some bureaucrat, how cowardly our Government were to govern and how enthusiastically certain members of the population revelled in the controlling aspect of it all.
i remember back when it was a fact that evil Tony was going to bring in prohibition and close every wet pub in the land forever.
Didn't happen after all amazingly. But that was the hysteria.
Very much, even worse the blurring between advisory guidelines and actual laws; less they end up paying out for anything.
That and the devisive 'guilting' that went on, if you disobey you're an evil basturd killing poor old Nellie etc etc.
Whoosh
We now have figures that show the actual outcomes, you are just 'going with your gut'
You have figure, well done, they mean whatever whoever drew them up wants - outcome bias, we won't know the real outcome for a generation, not five years.
Make it two generations to be safe.
It could take that tbh, much more tanh just cancer victims affected, we all carry some sort of scar from it, not just the blatantly obvious.
You don't speak for the population with your "we all carry some sort of scar from it"
we all carry some sort of scar from it
I carry no scars from COVID, had no real issues with the restrictions, thankfully didn't lose anyone during it and only caught it once.
Remember the scars of those who lost loved ones to covid, had traumatic experiences in hospital or left with impact of long covid don't count for the scamdemic brigade. Still traumatised they couldn't get a pint though. Every bad thing that happened was due to lockdown, restrictions etc but never the actual virus.
Zero consideration given to the scar of losing a loved one to covid, or the efforts taken by authorities to spare people that fate.
If your cafe was in a shopping centre you could sit (or stand) just outside the cafe without your vaccine card.
You also had to get table service in a pub that closed at 8pm, even if you were just drinking but you could queue to get your coffee at the 24hr cafe.
Some of the rules were very strange
It wasn't political.
A small sub-section of society falsely perceived that common sense rules were an "attack on their freedoms" because of their own world views and anti-authority beliefs. Around them orbit validators who e.g. didn't like certain measures because of some personal experience
A microcosm of every thread on this here.
Thankfully the vast majority of people got vaccinated, wore masks and generally understood the reasoning behind the measures
Those scars count as well, it affected us all in some form or other, whether it's loss to the virus or loss of time with loved ones from the restriction it caused,no denying that, either way, I'm not a scamdemic by any stretch, I played my part in more ways than one, disagreeing with extended lockdowns/ forced restrictions doesn't mean I'm denying it.
Does anyone else remember when the photo went viral of the old man having his dinner in Woodquay with an alarm clock on his table?
The anti-brigade went utterly hysterical shrieking about elder abuse and the harm it was causing psychologically and how it was terrible to see him not being able to go out in peace and enjoy his day without being shackled to the clock and other Shakespearean tales of woe.
And then when he was interviewed it turned out he'd the clock because he wanted to be home for the 6:01 news.
That was hilarious.
Do you remember that time when Ireland had the opportunity to host some games for the Euros, something that would have brought a major buzz and money to the country but we said Nah. The only country to turn it down.
And at the same time Tony was going mad because he drove into town one evening and large groups of likely fully vaccinated people were outside drinking.
The rest of Europe in packed stadiums and we were getting scolded for going outside…. But it was ok to fly to another country and go to a festival.
That was hilarious, for all the wrong reasons. Like I said, we lost the run of ourselves
That poster stated that we all have scars, many people do but not everyone which is what they claimed.
