Some mad videos emerging from Bondi beach in Sydney. Gun man opened fire. Seems to have been arrested from the videos I've seen, looks like multiple casualties.
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Why would they? Do you expect them to comment on every mass shooting?
This expectation of special treatment is laughable. Jewish supremacism at its finest.
This is just an attempt to blame all Jews without saying so outright. The idea that Muslim extremists would listen to and believe Netanyahu on this one thing is such transparent nonsense that I don’t think you really believe it yourself.
They believe it’s all Jews because they want to believe it. If Netanyahu had said that Jews who lived outside Israel were betraying Israel, do you seriously think attacks like this or the Manchester synagogue would not have happened? 🤯
It's not patently untrue. The mass shooting events, stabbing incidents, bomb attacks etc we were witnessing during the ISIS era have virtually ceased in Europe. Saying that immigration from Muslim countries is directly linked to terrorist attacks, when these events are not even happening during the 2020s, is a very sweeping statement for anyone to make.
Also, the younger killer yesterday was actually born and raised in Australia and was not an immigrant.
I think it’s more that people have got used to it: a lot more are detected before they happen, like the foiled plot to attack a Christmas market in Germany, (the same day as the Bondi attack IIANM) and even those that happen don’t get the same news coverage unless there are multiple injuries.
It would be foolish to think it’s a “dead” ideology.
What’s curious is that apparently it’s a good thing to insist on the religion of the hero, but a Very Bad Thing to even mention the religion of the killers.
Why is that?
Oh yeah, I know that which is why I found it so strange that he had six firearms.
Well that’s just patently untrue
There was such an attack in Dublin as recently as July and the alleged perpetrator has been charged with terrorism offences
I won’t be going into any further details as it is before the courts but I’ve no doubt you know exactly what attack I’m referring to
And his son was investigated by the authorities for potential radicalisation.
Seems poor form that they'd allow 6 guns to be around a guy who they had been alerted to?
Surely if they went to the dad and told him he has to give up his guns cos his son is on radar, then there was nothing he could have done about it.
In the end, little did they know the dad was a radical nutter too.
Sure, but I already explained that I was NOT referring to targeted killings, but to terror attacks designed to terrorise everyone by the fact that they target anonymous civilians and often just random people.
There have been virtually no such attacks in the last two or three years anywhere in Europe. Most of the events you describe happened when ISIS was at its peak, 2014-16 or so. It's pretty much dead as an ideology right now.
Australian gun laws are very strict. Similar to, if not stricter that Ireland.
Multiple firearms would mean firearms for different purposes. Different type of shotguns, a target rifle, a hunting rifle, a few different calibres, etc.
The more firearms you have the more frequently you have demonstrate you attending you target gun each year.
Yeah that's probably fair as well. The sweeping changes after 1996 indicate they won't just sit on their hands about it anyways. Unlike other nations.
If you are using 1 Muslim doing a good deed as a sign everything is ok, there isn't an issue with Muslim faith , how dare you blame it for this (as some have) , can't you apply the opposite and point out that the mass shooters being muslim immediately contradicts this view and that the mass shooters outnumbered the good Muslim from yesterdays attack.
Most people aren't looking for every Muslim to be banned from the west however they are pointing out that having excessive levels of immigration from a group which has a sizeable number who despise the west is not a good idea and is asking for trouble and perhaps immigration policy needs to reflect this and be careful about who is allowed to ive in western countries.
One of those things that wasn't a problem until it was I suppose. If you tried tk change the law before this I'm sure gun owners with more than 6 guns would say there is no need.
The restrictions on gun types surely helped this massacre from being even way worse. And Australia being a normal country are going to have another look at gun law as they have done before after similar incidents.
You’re countering your own point here.
Multiple people have infact blamed Islam as being responsible, a “religion of peace”, all Muslims should be exported, etc.
The hero counters that rhetoric. That doesn’t imply that there has never been a radical Muslim extremist. so not sure what you think had collapsed instantly
Heard on Newstalk this morning that the father had a licence for all 6 weapons since 2015, so for 10 years. Based off absolutely zero research on my own behalf, I thought Aussie gun laws were supposed to be tighter than that. What possible reason has anyone for 6 guns. 1 or 2, is somewhat more understandable if you're involved in gun clubs/hunting etc but 6 for personal use? I just don't understand the logic in allowing that (I know, I know some Americans probably have double that amount of firearms but this is Australia).
Time travel being impossible, there is no solving it.
That is a homegrown problem not an imported problem much more difficult to stop them at the root whereas imported problems can be stopped if people just weren't allowed into the country in the first place.
If Josef Puska for example had not been allowed into Ireland or allowed stay for so long , Aisling Murphy would be alive today.
How would you solve it?
Islamic terrorism isn't limited to gun attacks. There can also be knife, truck, car and bomb attacks. Furthermore, islamic terrorism activities also include non-violent ones, e.g. financing and logistics - and we even have that kind here in Ireland.
Neutralized attacks count too:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Vienna_terrorism_plot
So the fact is that islamic terrorism is still a threat in Europe, and will never cease to be a threat. There is no need to hide from the truth.
People are making assumptions about the man without knowing anything about him.
Many people emigrate from muslim countries to western countries because they do not want to live in an oppresive situation and want a better life for their families.
In similar news America has had its 300th mass shooting of the year this weekend. No idea of the ethnic background to the 300+ shooters
Thanks. Agree on the rubbish, this not a local incident not a global incursion.
Unfortunately as the day going on more stories are coming out. A friends brother was non-fatally injured. I suspect anyone with ties will be connected to victims somehow.
Death toll is 16. Including a 10 year old girl, two rabbis, a French tourist, a photographer. Many babe not yet released.
Australia bit like Europe has been brewing for a while from what I read and see online beforehand and people I know over.
This wont help the situation. Aussies are tough old bunch and won't let this lie. The problem is it will only create more division.
There have been virtually no such gun attacks by Muslims in Europe in the last 2-3 years. There have been several mass shooting events during that period alright, but invariably involving disturbed individuals going on shooting rampages at schools / universities and the like.
The blame lies jointly with BiBi and the terrorists. Bibi has taken ownership of all jews, just like a slave owner does. He has launched a genocide and ethnic cleansing program, turning people against the IDF and Israel, by claiming all jews and been the mouthpiece for all jews he is making jews (in the eyes of terrorists) to be legitimate targets. the loss of innocent lives no matter where they are from is totally unacceptable .
It can be targeted at people from specific countries though. I think thats what most people would suggest .
I work in financial services there are a list of countries described as countries of concern if money or a customer is linked to any of them (place of birth, address etc) extra checks must be done before we can deal with the funds or customers. This is not racist or prejudiced its just good business practice ,same should apply with immigration.
Apart from targeting alleged terrorists in countries like Norway, France, Italy, Greece, Cyprus & Malta they assassinated/murdered the Canadian Gerald Bull in Belgium in 1990.
Gerald Vincent Bull (March 9, 1928 – March 22, 1990)[1] was a Canadian engineer who developed long-range artillery. He moved from project to project in his quest to economically launch a satellite using a huge artillery piece, to which end he designed the Project Babylon "supergun" for Saddam Hussein's government in Iraq.Bull was assassinated outside his apartment in Brussels, Belgium, in March 1990
Gerald Vincent Bull (March 9, 1928 – March 22, 1990)[1] was a Canadian engineer who developed long-range artillery. He moved from project to project in his quest to economically launch a satellite using a huge artillery piece, to which end he designed the Project Babylon "supergun" for Saddam Hussein's government in Iraq.
Bull was assassinated outside his apartment in Brussels, Belgium, in March 1990
Gerald Bull - Wikipedia
These targeted killings/assassinations haven't occurred in Europe in recent decades but they do show that there's no bar to them killing people in Europe or anywhere except probably the U.S.
There were extra security arrangement between Ireland (whole island) and Great Britain. But they applied equally to everybody crossing the Irish Sea — Irish citizens, UK citizens, third country citizens. That's quite different from measures targeted at a particular ethnic or cultural group, as advocated by some in this thread.
Its not comparable at all tbh. The activities of the republican and loyalist terrorists, while absolutely reprehensible, were siloed primarily in the North of Ireland, occasionally bleeding into mainland England and the Republic. Attacks perpetrated by Muslims have occurred across multiple European countries, the US, Asia, Africa and now Australia.
There were extra security checks between Rep of Ireland and the UK at airports and seaports during the Troubles. Some were quite intimidating. Those security checks were removed in the years after the Good Friday Agreement. I lived in the UK during the late 80s and early 90s. There was still a huge amount of anti-Irish feeling there. I was vehemently anti IRA at the time. Bunch of cowards.
