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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,095 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Sure. Just less malevolent than the alternatives.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,876 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Rumours of mass GOP resignations from Congress coming. If so it could lose Mike Johnson his speakership. One source says Trump admin has treated GOP congressmembers "like garbage".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Apiarist




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,501 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Just better at hiding it imo. Thats what Trump has changed. He doesnt want to hide it.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,095 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    No what Trump has changed is that they have actually gotten significantly worse. This is borderline an argument about how they're all as bad as each other which is transparently ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,787 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Bloomberg has also released a call between Witkoff and Yuri Ushakov, Putin's foreign policy adviser, where Witkoff basically coached Yushakov on how to humour Trump so as to get him to agree with what was being proposed.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3r7xr94ln8o

    Witkoff is quoted as saying he does and that "my guy is ready to do it", before suggesting how to go about the call.

    "Just reiterate that you congratulate the president [Trump] on this achievement... that you respect that he is a man of peace and you're just, you're really glad to have seen it happen," Witkoff is quoted as saying. "I think from that it's going to be a really good call."

    "I told the president that you - that the Russian Federation has always wanted a peace deal. That's my belief," Witkoff adds according to the transcript. "The issue is is that we have two nations that are having a hard time coming to a compromise."

    So the Trump administration is coaching Russia to convince Trump to accept a plan and the US then is taking that plan "exactly" and presenting it to Ukraine and demanding they accept it.

    I'd love to hear what Zelensky says about all of this and the people involved behind closed doors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    The problem is that Congress has not only not passed a law making such strikes legal within the U.S. Congress has been visited by a messenger boy from the Department of Justice telling them that in the view of the DOJ no such law needs to be passed. This is the same DOJ led by Pam Bondi that appointed Halligan to prosecute Comey, because of a dog whistle from Trump, because no other prosecutor would touch the case because there was no evidence to back it up. The same DOJ led by Bondi where Halligan`s co-prosecutor told the judge eventually under questioning when he had nowhere left to run that the instructions from the DOJ were to pretend the first grand jury indictment hadn`t failed and there was no second indictment.

    Even if Congress did pass a lawmaking these strikes legal, they would only be legal within the U.S. and like a presidential pardon would not be worth the paper they were written on under international laws and would be as much use as a Nuremberg Defense for anyone who takes part in them should they be arrested outside of the U.S. and tried under an international arrest warrant. Especially under an Interpol Red Notice.

    In 1973 the U.S. Congress passed the War Powers Resolution which as far as I know is still valid. That law was passed to ensure no further excesses by the U.S. military as witnessed in Vietnam Under that law the President must inform Congress within 48 hours of deploying troops into hostilities and prohibits troops from remaining in a conflict after 60 days without Congress approval. But then if you are going to make it up as you go along, like the DOJ showed with Comey based on nothing other than Trump`s thin skin looking for revenge on anyone he feels slighted him, it`s barely a skip and a jump to also ignore the War Powers Resolution to please him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭Economics101


    I was waiting for criticism of the Trump era to morph into "the basic malevolence of America". No big power is immune to criticism, and they will get some thing badly wrong. But the Trump regime is totally beyond any pattern of normal big-power behaviour.

    Is this the chronic anti-Americanism of much of the Irish Left? Just asking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,191 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


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    I call BS on the mass GOP resignations. They went along with things this far, hard to see what red line has been crossed that suddenly makes being in congress intolerable.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,079 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    What Trump is doing to America is far worse than any other president but what is he doing to the rest of the world that is worse than what Bush Jr. done ?

    85 innocent sailors is a lot less than all the innocent people Bush killed. Go back further and what he is doing in Venezuela was considered normal behaviour in South and central America not to mention how they fuked up Cambodia. In terms of an international death toll of innocents Trump is far from the worst.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,079 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The red line is the polls telling them they are about to get battered in mid terms I would imagine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Im very much a centrist and probably slightly right of based on modern politics.

    I think Trump wants to be a Dictator but i dont believe that Venezuela, Russia/UKR or Israel/Palestine is fundamentally any different actions then any other US administration before him.

    Trump just says the quiet part out loud more often than not because of his penchant for Dictatorship.

    And red white or blue they're all knee deep in Epsteien type perversion and insider trading.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭randomcorkman


    No, both sides are not the same. If you really think that, after the shitshow of the last 10 months, you're either much further right than you think or you simply despise the same people the MAGAts do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,520 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Which is just wrong. Biden was very pro-Ukraine.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭randomcorkman


    He might have been. But Jake O'Sullivan seems to have held back Ukrainian defense efforts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,520 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    So you've nothing to back up your both sides argument then.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Outside of different language what was Biden actually doing differently with either Ukraine or Palestine?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,451 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Biden was providing weapons and intelligence to Ukraine.

    He demanded that Putin start the war and retreat back to Russia.

    He welcomed Zelensky and understood that Ukraine was the wronged party and Russia needed to be held to account.

    So basically the opposite of everything Trump is doing



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭Pdoghue


    It's staggering the amount of people who state that. But it's clearly not the case. I think a lot of it is disingenuous, and people being apologists for the Trump and the current administration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Trump is also providing both. So same actions.

    The rest of your list is words and ive agreed that Trumps are very different on most things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭threeball


    They haven't the balls to impeach him. No, just mass resignations and run away. They created this mess and they're too cowardly to clean it up. Bunch of cretins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭threeball


    Trump has withdrawn both weapons and intelligence for extended periods of time. On top of that he has his top aides working in cahoots with the Russians rather than acting as an impartial negotiator. He's also treated Zelensky like dirt on a number of occasions and called him illegitimate. So basically the polar opposite to Biden. Biden was shíte on Gaza however.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,876 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    It seems what they were hoping for is something like Afghanistan in 1979-89 where gradually Russia is worne down.and has to come to the table. But other goals like tackling inflation led to them criticising the strikes on Russian energy targets. There was a lack of joined up thinking.

    There are many sources that say that after Kherson was recovered, Russia spoke to Lloyd Austin on the phone and threatened to use nukes, after which Austin said he represented the strongest military in the world. But the threat seems to have succeeded in unnerving Bidem to the point that weapons deliveries slowed down drastically.

    The biggest missed opportunity was 2023 when the Surovikin Line was being constructed. If the flow of weapons had continued, Ukraine might have been able to make inroads there.

    The 3 branch US system failed dismally to meet the moment. Trump turned Ukraine into a political football which was a disgrace. Charles Lindbergh vibes from WW2.

    Post edited by Ozymandius2011 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    You are mistaken

    1. Trump is not providing Ukraine with weapons. European countries buy American weapons, with European money.
    2. Trump never said anything even remotely critical of Putin. Trump said that he was "disappointed that Putin [didn't accept a ceasefire plan]". That is the height of his criticism. On the other hand, he bashes Zelensky and accuses Ukraine of waging war [because Ukraine doesn't want to surrender] all the time.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,876 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    New - Congress poll - Tennessee 07

    🔴 Epps 48%
    🔵 Behn 46%

    2024 results - Trump +22

    Emerson #A - LV - 11/24

    This was Mark Green - R seat in 2024. He won it 59-38.

    In the poll, just 38% say the economy is the biggest issue. This is the heart of the Bible Belt where Republican support would normally be very strong but its close.

    The Georgia prosecutor who took over after Fani Willis was removed from the case over an affair with a member of the prosecution team has dropped the October 7th case against Trump there. His name is Pete Skandalakis, which rhymes with another word, ironically.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,055 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


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    How about MAGArsehole?

    Post edited by everlast75 on

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,015 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    How about Cunt.

    It's easier to say and far more accurate.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,914 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Trump also said Ukraine shouldn’t have started the war and welcomed Putin to Alaska like a hero instead of a murdering dictator



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