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It was a massive mistake in 2014 not to contest or deter the Russian takeover and the fake referendum. That is what allowed Russia to blockade the coast for so long and over-run the southeast.
And yes there is some evidence Russia was trying to tie Ukraine to October 7th by trafficking Ukrainian weapons to the region - or at the very least trying to make it look like Ukraine had lost control of where the weapons were going.
Well then
How would a China, Taiwan and possibly American war play out? If it wasn't over quick it would likely slow support from China to Russia. But likewise Ukraine would receive less from the West.
You can guarantee if there is a Chinese operation on Taiwan, quick or slow, the Americans and allied partners will implement a naval blockade of China and widescale economic sanctions. The relationship of Russia to China will then be more important than ever. We may see escalation of support, maybe even direct involvement, rather than a cutting of trade. The claims of China militarily supporting Russia are overplayed in western media, but we may see it coming into effect and even expanded upon.
There's an uneasy economic truce between the US and China at the moment. China will keep Russia onside as a reserve of raw materials in the face of potential western blockade/sanctions. The US realises that they can't cut the Chinese economy off without unpalatable economic consequences. Anyways, I'm sceptical of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan, I'll think they'll work on them in other ways.
So called "renewable energy" wouldn't even be possible without oil.
Well Zelensky was apparently asking for NATO to impose a no-fly zone over Ukraine at the start of the war. And Stoltenberg is explaining why NATO decided it could not do that.
A guarantee that America would help defend Taiwan…. maybe under any other president other than Trump. The Chinese would just buy him off.
I can't see a naval blockade working either. Once a Chinese flagged ship is sunk, it's a declaration of war from the US and/or it's allies.
I don't think anyone can predict how it would play out.
We'll find out in the morning. But possibly another Russian ship promoted to Submarine
only someone who demonstrably has no problem with rape and targeting of schools would refer to a war of aggression as an ‘issue’. Says it all about you really and your posts should be read in that light
QUESTION. What is stopping NATO members surrounding Ukr and other European NATO members reaching the conclusion that any airborne missile - be it a drone or whatever and especially the ones over Ukr airspace- is AIMED at their countries and therefor can be LEGITIMALLY shot down?. My understanding is that a lot of these missiles can be - in real time- remotely controlled to change direction , distance to be travelled, etc.. IMO it does not matter what airspace these missiles are over only the operator will know their destination
I think it was pretty clear when Stoltenberg said it… for NATO planes to operate in Ukraine they'd have to first take out air defence systems located in Belarus & Russia, and this would give Putin exactly what he wants a NATO attack on Russia, and an excuse to escalate/mobilise/go nuclear etc…
Nato simply won't send aircraft into airspace where the threat of AA from neighbouring borders is too high. Its uncontrollable airspace unless they take out AA in Belarus & Russia.
Doubt this will be a popular move to deploy reservists to Ukraine….Russia getting more and more desperate to find meat
Reservists would be similar to our FCA back in the day or the Territorials in the UK? Weekend soldiers?
I was not thinking about NATO aircraft flying over non NATO countries. I was thinking more about air defence ‘equipment’ based on in NATO countries that is land based and can shoot at targets from within NATO boarders. So it’s only the missle that leaves the NATO airspace and not the system - eg plane- firing the missle. NAsci said in a recent post if Poland sees ‘ something ‘ that is flying towards/ in the vicinity of it and is behaving in a ‘potentially threatening way should it allow it to ‘continue on its journey’ to an unknown destination?
A number of things I would say.
There's countries in NATO that want to do this IMO, but they really want the security blanket of it being a collective NATO decision (or at least a US-backed and approved decision - that would be enough) and they won't get that now. They probably will never get this unfortunately, and may have to make a decision on it themselves, or in a smaller group eventually, depending on how the war evolves.
If they've been practicing on weekends for the past number of years that's still a lot more practice than what currently qualifies as meat for the grinder on the front these days.
We're catching a bit of flak for this.
Maybe I should not say it…but perhaps France, or Italy, or Spain or whoever in the EU does it should send over the (likely quite high) cost for stationing a missile defence frigate or 2 in port/close to the coast during these meetings (if these take place here, and are not moved due to our inability to secure them). Might concentrate some minds perhaps! Money is a great motivatior.
there will be another 10 million ukrainian refugees if russia is allowed to destroy their heating/energy systems this winter
And rightly so. We’ve some cheek considering we have not bothered our holes with much in the way of defence.
What has been allocated is still a colossal piss take for the defence forces
Are we still desperately trying to give Apple back their €13B (probably closer to €14B now)?
That could go a long way towards tooling up our defensive capabilities….
That case is closed, Ireland has received the money. No clue what we're doing with it though, probably upgrading some obscure boreen in a backbencher's constituency in some godforsaken corner of the midlands…
Embarrassing. But considering all the EU leaders will be at that summit, we had better protect it. The blowback if we don't and something like a drone attack happens with casualties will be severe. The publicity would also make it harder to attract conferences, which will be another nail in the coffin of the hospitality sector.
Drones have been flying over sensitive sites throughout Europe including Denmark, Germany and the UK. Some of them are being launched from ships
It's not like these NATO countries are doing much to secure the refugee invasion across the Mediterranean with their massive navies. Which is now ultimately costing us and everyone else a fortune.
I think we should however invest in 2-3 fully staffed and equipped Navy ships, and anti drone warfare.
The rest is a waste of money. We have a humongous long term debt and with the birth rate collapsing we're effectively broke.
What's this about the hospitality sector being in a coffin? You can't move about the place for the number of tourists and good luck finding an affordable hotel room, despite every second development seeming to be a hotel.
Generally agree with all of your points. I'd just add that dropping birth rates seems to go hand-in-hand with increase in prosperity - it's a First World problem across the board, from Japan/ S. Korea to Ireland and everywhere rich in between. Which is another reason why inward migration is critical to the continued growth of First World nations. Much as all the Fleg Wavers may hate to hear it.
The big spends in my view
Radar capabilities are the number 1 need.
Increased Naval capabilities next.
Finally a squadron of intercept capable fighter jets.
The above tying together to provide air defence capabilities and air/sea policing capabilities.
The bare minimum to maintain our sovereignty and neutrality.
No harm we have a few headline grabbing moments like the above as said it'll help focus minds a bit.
And we should be catching flak as regardless of us hosting as far as holding the EU presidency next year we are flat out refusing to pull our weight when it comes to defending the free, open and democratic societies we live in and believe in across the EU. We are freeloaders in this regard. Its got nothing to do with military neutrality. This has nothing to do with joining or not joining any military alliance. We are not a neutral control, only neutral in terms of military alliances. We are very much part of the free, open and democratic world and should do our part in defending such.
Good news for Ukraine. Reports Norway may guarantee a loan secured on the frozen Russian assets. Belgium has been blocking the loan previously unless something like this happens. Will Belgium, where most if the assets are located, now agree to it? Norway has a $1.5 trillion Sovereign Wealth Fund
That guy really loves a bit of hyperbole doesn't he?!
Good responses above lads I'm not going to reply as it's a bit off topic put points noted.
I guess this confirms the Russians are suffering more losses then they can handle. The downside is the current Russian slow crawl will continue.
Such a messed up country that can continue to throw people into the meat grinder and yet the general public continue to shrug it off and deny anything is happening.
