Israel/Palestine Thread

Greta and those other chancers are doing nothing to help with their silly stunts - neither Palestinians nor the environment with the deportation flights (remember when that was her big cause?). Talking about it doesn't mean it was a success

The intent of these guys like @sheepysheep / @SeanW / @blanch152 isn't to challenge people who hate Israel, or who want to destroy Israel.

There have been one or two on this thread in the year or so I have been here, who have said some pretty horrible things about Israeli's and Jews, and these guys have left them alone, never challenged them, which is bonkers. Instead, we usually we get a post like "here's yet another example of antisemitism", even though it may be the ONLY example.

Many here did challenge those posters though (i.e those against killing civilians /ethnic cleansing did), but because we are also against the Gazans genocide, they try to smear us as the same while leaving them alone. V curious.

In parallel, the Seanw crowd never challenge those (and even engage in) use of antisemetic tropes I.e. hive minding Jews, or telling us they aren't from where they are from - arent really Irish, or British etc - they are Middle Eastern. This is glaring antisemitism according to ADL guidelines - as long as it backs the genocide of Gazans, they will do it and not challenge those who use it.

The intent of these guys is to paint most people here showing basic moral principles and respect for international law, as equally hateful and bigoted as they are.

Hence each and everyone has been caught out multiple times spreading lies, disinformation and outright contradictory nonsense. E.g., off the top of my head (Sean W - Gaza's populations is growing / Sheepy - Ireland is the most antisemetic country in the world / blanche - Jesus where do I start with that one).

I don't know why they do it. I don't know why none of them can criticize Israel for anything they have done in this war. But this is what is going on.

Italian PM says she has been accused of complicity in genocide at the ICC along with Defence Minister, Foreign Minister and head of the arms manufacturer Leonardo.

Israel commemorated the 2nd year anniversary by killing another 13 Palestinians.... slow day by their standards...

this current part of the conflict did start 2 years ago. Everyone knows the Israelis and Palestinians have been fighting each other for longer than two years.

So, I ask those who are heaping ALL the blame onto Israel: do you agree that Hamas terrorists need to lay down arms, release hostages and disband out of Gaza, with no ands, ifs or buts? And do you believe Hamas should be dictating and demanding as regards peace here?

When you replace Hamas with Israel above there may just be chance of peace.

I don't know why they do it.

They do it because "tHe lEfT" and that's really what it boils down to. In some people's minds…"minds"…everything is right vs left. However normal people look at what Israel is doing in Palestine and see the situation as right vs wrong, and Israel is most definitely in the wrong. But Israel is currently led by an extremist right wing government, so that means that some people will side with them no matter what, up to and including wanton slaughter of human beings and ethnic cleansing, because those who are calling out what Israel are doing must be "tHe lEfT".

It's impossible to reason with minds like that and any attempt to do so is utterly futile as is evidenced on this thread and across numerous others. Challenges are ignored and questions are left unanswered. Anything uncomfortable is handled by running away and then coming back a week later to carry on with the narrative despite the fact that the narrative holds no water.

No. I don't agree…because this means a terrorist organization are dictating on how this possible peace plays out.

First: Hamas lay down arms, release all hostages, and get out of Gaza. This is vital! No ands, ifs or buts!

Second: a peace can begin and discussions about land and territory and incursions and withdrawals and living together or side by side.

Unless you want this fighting to rage on and on by wanting Hamas to be dictating and controlling?

Edit: IF Israel agree to what you are thinking here, so be it. That is fine. But it is Israel here who need to lead the plan, and hopefully with the uniting of Palestinians

you’re deflecting by asking questions. I am clear: to end the bloodshed which is what people should want, Hamas need to do what Israel are asking.

You bringing in ands ifs and buts doesn’t change my view. The ands, ifs and buts can wait. They can be discussed and negotiated in time!

You then have gone on to explain why Israel are the baddies here. Do you want a ceasefire and a peace plan or not? If you do, you would not be bringing up irrelevant points about past history and past issues and past fighting.

Surely after two years of mayhem, it’s time to stop it and time to try change it. And allowing Hamas terrorists to make demands, as you are describing is nothing but prolonging misery on Palestinisns. Is this acceptable to you? Just so you can stick it to Israel!!

yes. Spot on. So, Hamas terrorists, Accept what Israel want and the firing ends!!! It really is simple…