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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭crusd


    They dont need to change the 2nd amendment. Just stop seeing judicial appointments as a way of bending the law to their will

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed

    Peoples rights to bear arms are infringed. No one has the right to own a fully armed F-15. The judges just choose to selectively apply the law based on the whims of their party.

    Its very easy to sort it if there was the will. Everyone needs to prove membership of a "well regulated militia" if they wish to own a gun. The militias to be formed on the bases of comprehensive background checks, requirements for secure storage, ammunition traceable to the militia, regular audit etc.

    Its a question of will, not constitutional change. There is no will of course. The country was founded on the use of weapons to commit ethnic cleansing, and the good old boys wont give that up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭crusd


    Left wing nonsense now of course being defined as the ability to show compassion for people not in your own narrow group



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,046 ✭✭✭rogber


    Total muppet and the wife doesn't sound much better with her Christian crap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,040 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    i did often wonder about this.

    say a ban on rpg's…is that at a state level or federal? if federal, they are already making exceptions to 2A - why not push that exception further?

    for me reading the text, i'd ban guns based on the fact a well regulated militia is no longer necessary for the security of the free state.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,273 ✭✭✭Sandor Clegane


    I'm sure his family and followers wouldn't want anyone to mourn him for too long, in the end it was worth it right? after all he's on record as saying that some gun deaths are worth the cost of having the second ammendment…I mean I'm sure him/his family and followers haven't a problem with him taking one for the team?

    Nobody derserves this by the way imo, but I'm assuming his family and followers will hold true to their beliefs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭francois


    Free speech warriors at it again:

    State department vows to 'take action' against 'foreigners' they deem to be praising Charlie Kirk's assasination

    In a post on X, the deputy secretary of state Chris Landau has said that he’s directed consular officials to “undertake appropriate action” against any “foreigners who glorify violence and hatred”.

    He added that he’s “been disgusted to see some on social media praising, rationalizing, or making light” of Kirk’s assassination.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,628 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    They had the chance to rise up against a fascist and instead voted for one

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,009 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    "But if you repeatedly demonise your fellow citizens for profit, and engage in violent rhetoric towards others then you WILL reap what you sow."

    To reap what you sow usually involves gain, or a positive outcome, whereas in Charlie's case not so positive, as he has been murdered.

    Engaging in debate, while exchanging and expressing ideas and opinions does NOT warrant having your life taken away.

    A poor show by Charlie's critics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,743 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Someone doesn't know their bible, the phrase can be used positively or negatively:

    A man reaps what he sows. Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up” Galatians 6:7–9



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,631 ✭✭✭FAILSAFE 00


    So in other words don't talk and engage with people of opposing views. Definitely a recipe for a harmonious society.

    You can't argue against my point because it cannot be refuted. You know its true.

    Look at the sheer amount of far left political violence in the U.S. Its easy to see why when you read the rhetoric posted online by the left. Everyone is labelled as evil, nazi, racist, racist, [insert]-phobic that doesn't agree with their ideology. Its encourages people to act violently and makes them feel completely justified in their actions because in their world they are stopping Hitler or some other crazy far left nonsense.

    When Charlie Kirk sat on university campuses for his tour debating students it's very clear to "almost" everyone how radicalised those students had become. Its so sad to see it from such young adults.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,855 ✭✭✭weisses


    No emphaty from my end….

    Another one of Kirks favourite quotes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,718 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I'm fascinated that you're getting outraged by people being called Nazis while claiming posters such as myself advocated for his murder with no basis. You're labeling me and others as advocates for murder with absolutely no proof.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,055 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Here's a selection of people calling for more people they dont like to be murdered. Bunch of weirdos

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Look at the sheer amount of far left political violence in the U.S.

    Care to show all of us this? Is there any far right political violence and what is your opinion on these?

    It was CK who encouraged violence against a multitude of people due to their race, gender, sexuality. But I suppose all that just taken out of context.

    He also sat on campuses spouting that abortion is worse than the holocaust, is that not sad to see from an adult?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,631 ✭✭✭FAILSAFE 00


    No he wasn't.

    Its this sort of nonsense that drives political voilcence.

    Charlie's platform was open discussion and debate. A right leaning christian conservative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭Apple Dumpling


    Trump falling asleep again in public this time at the 24th anniversary of 9/11 at the Pentagon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    So you just ignore all the hate speech and focus on the points that you agree with? That's fair enough if that's what you want to do, it doesn't erase the heinous words he spoke.

    Don't watch the edited debates that he and his team released, watch the full versions to get an accurate representation of how they usually went for him. I'll direct you to the Cambridge debates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,009 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,631 ✭✭✭FAILSAFE 00


    So because you disagree with his opinions he deserved to assassinated.

    Just own it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Nice attempt at a deflection, where did I say that?

    Want to answer my questions or just continue to deflect?

    Care to show all of us this? Is there any far right political violence and what is your opinion on these?

    He also sat on campuses spouting that abortion is worse than the holocaust, is that not sad to see from an adult?



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,621 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    …who promoted hatred and division.
    The man was scum who managed to attract a following of scum loving scum. Like it or not, his pro-gun messages and his bigoted words had an effect on others. That's why he did it.
    And look where it got him! 🙄

    America is in big trouble. The bitterness between followers of a right-wing party and the followers of a much further right-wing party isn't normal in any other country. Add in the stupid belief that you're safer whilst holding your relatively easily obtained gun makes the situation even more drastic (to the point that kids getting shot in a school isn't really big news). Then add in a self-invested president who has a career built on lying, cheating and corruption and who shows utter contempt for the US Constitution and the people it is meant to protect and yet some act as cheerleaders to their own reduction - its just complete madness!

    Kirk's death shouldn't have happened. That said, he is absolutely no loss to humanity and any idolising of him is wrong; any eulogising of him is wrong - the should be no ifs or buts about that!
    If the US wants to become a normal society then, regardless of their beliefs (left, right or centre), any sh1t-stirrers like him should not be given a platform. They certainly should not be elected into office.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,017 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Ah it was a relatively handy shot. I can shoot clay pigeons at 300 meters with ease using a .223 and I'm no expert.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,718 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Once again, he did not say that. Why are you choosing to so heavily misrepresent posters? The point is that Kirk has made a career out of pushing extremism, that's not saying he deserved to be assassinated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,631 ✭✭✭FAILSAFE 00


    Charlie's events were attended by supporters and critics alike. Thousands of people at each university sit down.

    Don't you think that if there was all this unedited videos of his campus debates showing him not doing well in a debate that it would just be posted online by critics?

    Every person at these events has their phone out recording.

    Pointing to one debate out of thousands of hours of footage of Charlie across networks other than his own and his own channel isn't a win. I haven't watched that debate yet, seems a bit hallow to do so now that Charlie has been silenced.

    The guy was just a gifted debater who believed in his Christian beliefs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,555 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Lots of good points, but one thing I wanted to mention:

    '

    (5) the Health Service needs to be examined to see if it is adequately responding to people with mental health problems. A lot of the shootings seem to be carried out by such people

    "

    The problem is, there really isn't a 'health service.' The vast number of Americans have private health insurance and their data are protected by HIPAA and other measures. Retirement-age and above are under Medicare (same set of protections). 78 million (including children) are under Medicaid (until something like 17 million are thrown off by the Big BS bill in 2026, after the mid-terms). There's simply just not one health service or central administration, or even tracking. And, with RFK, jr at the top of the US healthcare pyramid and all-out clowns like Dr. Oz in charge of things, don't expect this to improve. But, even with sane administrators, there are just too many structural limitations because there isn't a health service.

    Look at the recent murder of that poor Ukrainian woman on the mass transit in Georgia. The killer had a well documented history of mental health problems, and yet, he was out free, his mother couldn't get him committed (that was one headline I saw anyway). Largely because the jurisdiction in charge, is both the Courts (criminal) and whatever health care he had.

    Under Trump 1.0, the CDC were barred from collecting data about mass shoortings - 2d amendment yinno. That might've been reinstated but I'm sure it's gone again by now (in fact it is gone: https://abcnews.go.com/US/federal-government-study-gun-violence/story?id=50300379)

    So, until there is some data gathering about mass shoortings, nothing will happen and even if it were gathered, there are lots of problems with collecting it. Plus, the NRA haven't gone away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,947 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I'd say it takes a different mindset to kill a human being then hit an inaminate object. And also the stress of being caught would add to the difficulty of the shot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,017 ✭✭✭Feisar


    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    I'm quoting my earlier post outlining the partisan nature of political violence in the US and it's particularly being weighted towards the Right being more violent.
    As confirmed by Grok.

    That post is an important primer to keep in mind when looking at the below post from Meidas that has aggregated a range of posts from right wing commentators & politicians with strident calls for violence.
    Stochastic terrorism is a growing problem stateside and worsening, much of it driven by MAGA and before that, the Tea Party.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 31,445 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    And what of all the right-wing political extremism in the US? People like Charlie Kirk, Laura Loomer, Matt Walsh etc… have spent their entire lives campaigning against Muslims, LGBT people, immigrants, women's rights, equality, the very existence of left-wing politics etc… Kirk spent the last two years vehemently supporting a genocide. I am often shocked by the sheer intensity of the vitriol, hatred and rhethoric that comes from these people, and that has now found its way to the very top of the US government. There is no semblence of tolerance in modern American conservatism - all a movement for a (predominantly white) fundamentalist Christian theocracy where dissent is punished. They use their supposed faith as a cover to spew all kinds of violent bile.

    Remember when one Democrat was assassinated and another shot two months ago? I did not see the right-wing pledging a purge after that, or the assassinated representative presented with a posthumous Presidential Medal of Freedom. Again, this idea that all political violence in America is far left is utterly preposterous. It is a country that has been warped into a frenzy by extremists, many of whom on the right are now in power (in contrast, you can count the amount of actual left-wing politicians in mainstream American politics on a couple of fingers). People are endlessly furious, scared, hateful, all cheered on by a radical and polarized media landscape that revels in the fury - it is no way for a country to function.

    As a leftist myself, I am firmly anti-violence. I was also struck by Zohran Mamdani's - perhaps currently America's most high-profile leftist - comments on the assassination. "What should be a rarity has turned into a plague [referring to political violence]. It cannot be a question of political agreement or alignment that allows us to mourn. It must be the shared notion of humanity that binds us all." Empathetic, thoughtful words.

    Meanwhile, Charlie Kirk's last tweet about Zohran Mamdani? "Mamdani will spark a 1990s style crime wave in NYC and many more New Yorkers will die". Let's cut the utter bullshit that the American far-right are not encouraging violence - Charlie Kirk's typical tone of rhethoric was outright apocalyptic, designed to send his followers into a frenzy and actively dehumanise his enemies (of which there were many).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,040 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    i heard the dispatch officer say be on the lookout for a fella wearing black mask, black helmet, black clothes and tactical gear.

    now the officer is saying the fella blended in with the students. very odd (unless they recovered that gear above).



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