its about the turnover of Dundrum town centre, so pretty pathetic in the context!
Of course they will be, I just think it's an exceptionally hard problem to crack, there aren't even consistent designs for roundabouts across many countries — and I suspect we'll really struggle to get car manufacturers to properly tune their systems for the tiny Irish market.
Same here. Bought TSLA many times and just take small gains whenever they happen. Sometimes within days, sometimes many months. @maidhc - no that is not gambling if you are prepared to sit it out long term. Unless of course the company goes bankrupt. The only large USA car manufacturers that have never gone bankrupt are Ford and Tesla. And there might be only one left in that small list in the near enough future and that is not Ford…
The only "gamble" here is that I sell - realising a gain - and then the share goes up. This has of course also happened on me and the share is now way up on what it was the last time I sold everything. I currently don't hold TSLA nor do I plan to go back in at current share price. But I have said that before 😂
All investments in stocks are a gamble ..albeit a calculated one ..where the belief is that there are grounds for believing they will increase in value but where there are no certainties..sitting it out for the long term does not address the uncertainty of the “gamble”
I think you are confusing gambling with risk
Robotaxi has the same phantom braking that FSD and EAP have, this is hilarious. A comparison between an actual FSD car from waymo with Lidar etc and a 'robotaxi' from Tesla with a man in the front.
Yeah but for doing a lot less work
A Model Y drove / delivered itself from the Austin factory to the customer also in Austin, yesterday. By definition, this jumped the FSD beta from level 2 to level 5 (as Tesla has full responsibility for unsupervised FSD cars)
It's gonna be driving me home from the pub shortly, I'm telling you!🍻😉
It should be noted that when this Model Y that Tesla say delivered itself arrived, it parked on a red curb fire lane where you're not supposed to park:
https://www.theverge.com/news/694801/tesla-autonomous-delivery-factory-customer-robotaxi
A minor thing in the context of this particular 'event' but it shows you just how complex getting FSD right is, for any company.
Not in Ireland it won't. In the USA quite likely within a few years or so. I would put serious money on it being before 2030 (likely much sooner)
Yeah kinda knew that 😳
Fat chance unless they start to use advanced sensors and beef up the onboard computers. Even they're operating within the geofenced/mapped routes around Austin it's still making lots of errors driving in pristine weather conditions, on wide roads.
Ah shure, wouldnt be out of place in Ireland then. Double yellow lines dont mean a thing except in central Dublin.
Uber now saying they will trial robotaxis in the UK next spring.
And do you think that's where it was directed to park? Certainly looked that way from the video and the door everyone came out of, hardly worth nit picking about that?
This isn't level 5. It even states on the video it is using the Robotaxi software, which means a remote operator would take over if needed.
Wasn't aware it was being remotely monitored. Thanks for sharing!
Kees Roelandschap, @KRoelandschap, comments that there is some offical paperwork ongoing for FSD article 39 exemption in EU (RDW Netherlands). He is expecting this process to complete in next 1 or 2 months. And Netherlands or Germany to grant approval very soon after that.
https://nitter.net/TroyTeslike/status/1941156737886879848#m
The German plant is underutilized. If 7500 dolar grant goes away then Fremont will be underutilized too.
Robotaxi in Austin - looks like it is just a minor upgraded version of the standard FSD software. USD 4.20 fixed fee per ride. There still is a safety driver in the car with their right hand on an electronic brake, just in case
And for anyone not aware, this guy has been reporting on his own experiences with FSD beta for a very long time, he is an ex-Tesla employee. For the below video, he took lots of Robotaxi rides
I had to laugh when kim java / liketesla was in the robotaxi and there was still phantom braking. Even in the US. I've been watching the comparison videos where the early access robotaxi person gets the robotaxi and someone else gets a waymo on the rame route. It is night and day, as expected.
The difference is, the waymo isn't going to be hampered by sunrise, rain etc.
Night and day indeed. The Waymo is a $250k cost to build test vehicle that can only operate in a clearly defined geofenced area on certain roads. The Tesla is a standard $25k cost to build consumer car without alterations that can operate anywhere
just wait for FSD v14. Dojo and Colossus is going to weave some amazing end to end neural nets. Phantom braking will be fixed once and for all!😂
The current iterations of both, which I as a lay person not involved in either company and not able to compare in person either, are showing the different outcomes of the different approaches.
Tesla is geofenced to a smaller area than waymo is. Watch Kim Java's comparison video, I'm not the biggest fan of her channel but the comparison is very interesting to watch.
I wouldn't get into a video driven 'FSD' robotaxi that requires remote monitoring and a man with his hand on an emergency stop cable. The latter sounds more like a train than a car.
LIDAR is required. Humans do not rely on sight alone, it is impossible to safely create a drive anywhere robotaxi without a second source, preferably lidar, to complement vision. Also worth noting that the currently released and available robotaxi is not level 5 FSD either.
It's been 6 years since I saw my first phantom braking, in a loaner S LR, running AP2.5. Crazy how they have not fixed this.
In the time since I drove that S, the Tesla system now is still worse than it was then, as radar was removed and performance still has not recovered to what it was then.
To be honest, I'd still take an AP1 car over later one if I was choosing, since Elon can't put his grubby hands over AP1 too much
Humans use lidar?
FSD is by definition not geofenced. That's the whole point. It can work anywhere. Waymo is geofenced. As in the entire infrastructure is programmed in. That's why it would struggle if there is a major change in the roads until it has been updated. Of course the Austin trial is limited to a certain area of Austin that is the safest to drive in, so temporarily geofenced of sorts
The current robotaxi fsd is geofenced.
Humans obviously don't use lidar. But try and drive with only your eyes, remove sound, sense, gravity, etc. How do you hear an emergency vehicle upcoming? Or adjust for the wind when passing a truck? Or hear a young child about to run on to the road? Or even simpler, hear the beeping of a horn?
We drive in 3 dimensions, not two. We have multiple inputs, not just vision. Some are conscious like sound and others are somewhat subconscious, like the effect of gravity. I said it the day they changed to tesla vision, and I stick with it, you cannot have level 5 drive anywhere FSD/robotaxi/whatever other name, where it can pick me up at the pub and drive me home, without multiple inputs, including at least one of radar or lidar. Level 5, no steering wheel, no remote monitoring, no insurance required for the driver (insurance covered by oem or operator like waymo).
"Remote monitoring and a guy sitting in the car" while true is without context. It is the first live trial and of course it is going to be with some limitations, used to provide feedback loop, learn, and respect safety, so a degree of caution is to be expected …to do otherwise would be silly.
This first trial/test does not represent the ambitions of perfecting the technology and ironing out issues before being scaled. I am not making a case for it either way, other than to inject some balance as criticisms for the first test of a new technology for being done at a small scale with built in contingencies to address safety issues are to be expected, praised rather than criticised.
My criticisms are in the context of FSD being promised for 10 years. Not in 10 days of a trial.
