https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/13/israel-iran-strikes-defence-minister-tehran-middle-east-live
Reports stating that Israel have launched an attack against Iran
It's a rhetorical question. The military is there to fight and win wars. Given the relatively small size of the Israeli military, are there any better in the world pound for pound?
This is not a moral question, but you see everything in moral terms.
The Israeli army seem to be a very moral army alright -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mj6OnsoKDQ&ab_channel=HindustanTimes
A lot of conscripts bulking it up.
That last sentence isn't analysis, its a psychological red flag.
That’s not the voice of someone discussing war. It’s the voice of someone measuring performance, not consequence. There’s no grief. No tension. Just admiration, like you’re oddly thrilled by it.
You appear to be really enjoying this war between Israel and Iran - many many innocents will die.
To bring it down to phrases like "has wipped (sic) its arse" I find astonishing and very disturbing. I'm pretty sure many people are well aware of what the IDF is capable of - war crimes, lying in the face incontrovertible proof and even attacking Irish Peacekeepers in Lebanon.
That you celebrate them with such gusto is absolutely disgusting.
My join date is ten years before yours...
Calling children 'collateral damage' (as horrendous as that is) is still not 'fawning over the murder of children'.
Me thinks you're being somewhat dramatic with your use of language about this.
I think everyone who has read that post in its entirety, along with your other contributions, are acutely aware of exactly what it means.
A red flag of what?
Are you medically trained to analyse me? If not, perhaps leave it out?
Lets stick to the topic, shall we?
A red flag of someone who talks about military destruction with the enthusiasm of a hobbyist. You frame it as analysis, but the subtext isn’t hard to read...you’re not just observing, you’re enjoying it.
The way you sidestep morality isn’t intellectual distance, it’s emotional vacancy. That’s the flag.
No, not at all. But this is historical and we should be able to debate history as it unfolds in front of us, without the continuing pontificating and moralising about every.little.thing.
If I wanted to hear men pontificiate, I'd go to mass every day. :)
It seems many have yet to come to terms with the fact that Israel won't see its comeuppance anytime soon. Were you one of those who claimed that Iran would destroy the Israeli military easily if it came to a shooting match? Do you admit you were wrong?
You're not debating history...you're enjoying spectacle.
Every post of yours in this thread reads like a running commentary on a football match, not a war where civilians are dying. You deflect from morality, mock those who raise it, and now try to reframe disgust as "pontificating."
You ask who predicted Israel would lose. That was never the point. The point...which you keep dodging...is how disturbingly comfortable you are with cheering while people burn.
Anyone on Twitter? It seems the Iranians put all their resources into creating bot accounts for propaganda purposes. Pity they didn't leave anything for actual defences.
**** about, find out.
And what does that mean in the round?
I dont enjoy war, if that is what you are asking. But thank you for your concern about my well-being and my state of mind. Ill keep it in consideration.
Do you have anything to comment on the actual events taking place? Any opinions or comments? Or do you just want to play the man?
It’s not about playing the man. It’s about calling out the tone you’ve chosen. You talk like a commentator admiring precision strikes, not a person reckoning with the cost of war.
You can deny enjoying it, but your language betrays you. You sound energised, not horrified. That’s the point. That’s what people are reacting to. If that makes you uncomfortable, maybe sit with it instead of accusing others of moralising.
Excellent article from an Iranian born journalist who has lived nearly all her life in Israel and is an Israeli citizen.
"Over the years, the Israeli public has grown convinced that it can exist in this region while harbouring deep contempt for its neighbours — engaging in murderous rampages against anyone, whenever and however it pleases, relying solely on brute force. For nearly 80 years, “total victory” has been just around the corner: just defeat the Palestinians, eliminate Hamas, crush Lebanon, destroy Iran’s nuclear capabilities — and paradise will be ours."
They really are screwed as a society and have no positive future. All they have is war and violence - they exist solely to be in a state of conflict and hating everyone.
These lads have been drinking the cool aid or something.
So you want to talk about me, not the topic at hand.
Right!
I've no issue with debating and discussing in a dignified manner. There are no historians I've ever read that use phrases like "whipping its arse" - that's the kind of language thugs might use.
And you might be surprised if you read a history book that morals are widely discussed in the context of the subject.
But as I have pointed out, your interest and method of commentary in this topic i find very disturbing. Seems I'm not alone either.
On the subject of Iran defeating Israel easily - I've never posted such a comment nor would I. No idea at all why you would accuse me of that. And then ask me to admit if I was wrong. That's simply bizarre - and uncalled for unless you quoted such a post.
Proper Comical Ali stuff right there.
Is there ANY serious comments coming from Iran given their state of play?
Like, it's not looking good for them, and it looks like the Israelis are not letting up, and the US are about to enter the fray.
Maybe they are in total shock? As if they believed their own propaganda this whole time. Can you imagine growing up in that regime, being brainwashed, believing you are invincible and then finding out over a number of days, that its all a lie? Can you imagine the toll that would have on your mental capacity to function?
There are no historians I've ever read that use phrases like "whipping its arse" - that's the kind of language thugs might use.
Well, that is an easy one. This is boards, and I am not a historian.
No interest in discussing you, the issue is the framing. When phrases like “wiped its arse” are used to describe a real-world military assault, it’s going to provoke a reaction. Not because people are “moralising,” but because language like that reduces a war and the civilians caught in it to a spectacle.
You keep asking for discussion of “events,” but if those events are framed with flippant bravado, don’t be surprised when people push back. It’s not about you. It’s about the tone you’ve chosen to describe something deadly serious.
The Ayatollah has no clothes.
But this is historical and we should be able to debate history as it unfolds in front of us
Ok - you had me fooled. Both with the debate bit (it seems to be more like an aggressive monologue) and the historical bit.
I'll leave it there so.
You dont want to talk about me, but you want to lecture me about my tone.
Yet, you dont want to talk about the actual topic of the thread.
Asked AI how many countries are currently being bombed by Israel
"Based on current information, Israel is involved in conflicts and military operations in several countries. Here's a breakdown ¹ ²:
- *Gaza Strip/Palestine*: Israel has been engaged in a long-standing conflict with Hamas and other militant groups in the Gaza Strip, involving airstrikes, ground incursions and sieges.
- *Lebanon*: Israel has been involved in a conflict with Hezbollah, including airstrikes and ground operations, particularly in southern Lebanon.
- *Syria*: Israel has carried out airstrikes targeting Iranian military installations and facilities in Syria.
- *Iran*: Israel has been involved in covert operations and airstrikes targeting Iranian military and nuclear facilities.
- *Yemen*: Israel has been involved in the conflict against the Houthi movement, which has been targeted by Israeli airstrikes"
Such a peaceful place....
Might be an idea to ask AI how many of those are not Iran or backed by Iran. The answer is zero.
While what Israel is doing is very dangerous in terms of escalation, it makes sense from a military perspective; they are cutting the head off the snake.
Hard to get exact numbers but around 2000 Israeli citizens have died since 2000; much of the funding for that coming from Iran. (Yes I know the Palestinian numbers are many many multiples of that).
I'd be surprised if this wasn't broadly supported in Israel.
this Israel attack is very much delaying the inevitable for themselves. It might not be today or tomorrow but the level of hatred they are breeding for the future in Iran will come back to haunt them. it's another unwinnable war same as Iraq, vietnam, Afghanistan etc..
So back to the actual conflict: is the consensus that basically regime change is now the goal and the US will go all in as well?
It appears to be the goal from the start using the Iranian nuclear programme as an excuse. If regime change is now an acceptable method, I wish somebody would do a regime change in Israel as that regime is one of the most sick and depraved regimes in recent times.
