https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/13/israel-iran-strikes-defence-minister-tehran-middle-east-live
Reports stating that Israel have launched an attack against Iran
I don't understand what you mean.
If I change religion tomorrow to Judaism, are my ancestors no longer Irish like they are today, and change to being the people that once lived in Palestine 2 thousand years ago?
Judaism is a religion right?
If it's a race - you can have Jewish Muslims surely. If a person whose ancestors lived in that land for thousands of years changed to islam, does that mean they now have no rights to the land?
Hopefully they really box back, the zone of interest is disgusting to look at
Who likes Iran- ?-
But who likes the Israeli bombers of GAZA Lebanon Syria Iran- ( who is next-
Israel stumped on how to proceed after Iranian missiles smashed into Tel A no protection-
It's OK to box them-
But it's not fair when they box back-
Maybe it's the internet, palm oil, climate change? But it's increasingly looking like a significant portion of people in the west are gone soft in the head if they're finding common cause with Iran and their proxies.
You're arguing with insane religious nutheads who think the concept of having a mother is a uniquely Jewish trait, so only Jews have the right to trace back their roots thousands of years and claim that land for themselves today, whilst not giving up their land elsewhere. Funny that how they want their land from 2,000 years ago, and all the land they have gained elsewhere since.
They can never answer any query as to why this doesn't apply to the other eight billion people in the world, because all they have are their extreme religious beliefs. They waste the world's time with embarrassing trash logic instead of just saying "I think Jewish people should have this land because that is my religious belief." It's the sheer waste of time that gets me. Like it's insulting. All this pretence and garbage to defend religious positions they didn't logically come to.
"They"? Are they some kind of special race whose rights to land extend over hundreds of generations.
Is there a direct uncontaminated DNA link between those who lived there 2,000 years ago and those settling now?
It says more than they just lived there. It says it was their land. its not just Israeli archeology, it's also Persian who refer to Israel and it's history .
How can someone be illegal in what is theirs.
The Norwegians just held parts of the country, not the whole land.
The regime was removed. It was a regime change. That was my only argument. Attainment of the broader policy aims of the change is another matter.
So there is archeological evidence that the people currently settling illegally lived there 2,000 years ago?
Should we hand Dublin over to the current Norwegians?
Iran nuclear plant hit and slight damage according to Iran, with no contamination risk.
So that means it's probably a massive contamination risk.
Oh look, another useful idiot cheering on Iran. Excuse me, but politely get to ****. Yes, I do think its sad that women and child brides are executed, whereas you dont seem to give a **** about women, unless Israelis do it
I dont want to execute one myself as you state (wtaf) and I dont want Israelis to do it either. Please retract your statement.
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So it's their fault they didn't foster relationships with..... Iran ? There is a mental illness on this thread.
Oh look, another Israel-supporter pretending to care about Muslim women and children while defending the murder of tens of thousands of them and the starvation of hundreds of thousands more.
I don't believe for a second that you think it's remotely sad. You just think it's sad that it's not you or an Israeli doing it.
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"Iran's Fars news agency reports senior military officials as saying the conflict will spread to US bases in the region over the coming days."
surely iran wouldnt be so stupid as to drag the US fully into this war?
on donald trumps birthday and all
Just like their quarrel is only with Hamas. Killing the 100,000 citizens is just collateral damage. Do you really believe this nonsense. If Israel thought it could get away with it, it would nuke everything it perceived as a threat.
They alone have created their own troubles for the policies they have pursued for decades. Instead of trying to foster relationships, they have instead gone to war with everyone imaginable whilst subjugating over 1 million people in Gaza and the west bank.
Israel have targeted civilian areas in Iran in these attacks, just like they do in Gaza. To say their quarrel is not with the people and only with the leadership is disingenuous in the extreme. Either that, or very naive.
So your argument is that because the Taliban is different, geopolitically now, compared to a quarter of a century ago it was still successful regime change?
Could it perhaps be that something else has changed in the last 25 years? Maybe geopolitics?
You're right, Iranian leaders regularly declare "Death to israel/america/england" so its not just them I suppose, they need to get over themselves, ugh 🙄
Why not ask why is the iranian religious supreme leader so obsessed with going on about eradicating western societies given half the chance ? Meanwhile women are executed on the regular for defending themselves against their abusive husbands, some of them child brides. That's actually sad.
I'd hardly call them merely the "government" tbh. Why are you out here batting for Iran? Bit weird
Could you provide evidence that “Iran’s sole reason for existence” and it’ “entire raison d’etre” is the annihilation of Israel?
One would imagine, if, as you say it is the only reason they exist, it would appear in their constitution or policy documents? No?
Maybe a photo of Netenyahu at the Un with a cartoon drawing of a bomb has convinced you.
Why would the “genocidal” Iranian regime bent on “wiping Israel from the map” (a convenient western mistranslation), propose
“There are no half measures … Rafah, Deir al‑Balah, Nuseirat – total annihilation. ‘Thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven.’ There is no place for them under heaven.”
If rhetoric is genocidal then perhaps you could address the statements of Israeli government ministers?
“There are no innocent civilians in Gaza”
“We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel. Everything is closed.”
“The Gaza Strip will be wiped off the map”
If you believe Iran is genocidal for selling weapons to Russia, how does it not follow, by the standards you are applying yourself, you deny that the US and Israel are genocidal?
Is it because of the skin colour or religion of one group compared to the other or some other reason for your double standards?
Explain this
There are videos of your favourite regime putting AA on roofs around Moscow
That Iranian government. A great bunch of lads .
How self obsessed are Israel to think that the government of 90 million people's entire reason to exist is to destroy Israel.
Sad
You cannot put a marker in history for one race, religion, or group of people. It nonsensically gives extra land to modern people whilst not removing land elsewhere from that group.
If group A used to live where group B lives, and group B used to live where group A lives, and they both try to claim their ancestral land without giving up their new land, then they both own all of the land. It's impossible. It's like me saying I own my house in Ireland, but I also have a right to land in Italy because I am Catholic. Where is the Italian supposed to go if I don't give him my land in Ireland?
Americans moving to the West Bank to settle Palestinian land should be giving their land in America to the people they displace in the West Bank.
Well, where do you want to put the marker in history. If you go back to the 12 tribes of Israel, all the Palestinian land, Lebanon, Syria, and a good portion of Iraq were all Jewish lands.
La la land.
"We also know that Israel's quarrel is solely with the dictatorship of Iran, not the country as a whole or all of its people."
We do not know this because it's not true.
The size of Iran compared to Israel.
It's wild listening to people, who have argued for years that Israel is not committing genocide in Gaza, say Iran is genocidal for supplying weapons to Russia. If we could somehow harness this hypocrisy and convert it into electricity, we wouldn't need oil, wind, or solar.
Yes it’s very tribal. Taliban is really a unifying umbrella term for the movement & foundational ideology. It’s not a cohesive concrete political organisation like Hezbollah let alone comparable to the leadership in Iran.
Wasn’t the Taliban always a bit regional? In one of Jason Burke’s books he claimed that it was only really the higher levels that embraced the likes of Bin Laden and in many areas they didn’t know or care about the outside world.
