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North Korea General Discussion.

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With all that's going on in the world, we haven't heard much from the big man over the last few months. Anyway, North Korea's attempt to launch its second naval destroyer in a month appears to have gone horribly wrong. Kim Jong Un is livid—describing the incident as a criminal act caused by carelessness, irresponsibility, and "unscientific empiricism" that should never occur and cannot be tolerated. He also vowed to punish the officials responsible for the accident as criminals, stating that it "lowered the dignity and self-respect" of his country.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/22/world/asia/north-korea-destroyer-accident.html

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silliussoddius

And this is the country that Russia is turning to for help.

banie01

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123475171#Comment_123475171

That help is very much a 2 way street. Russia are getting shells & ballistic missiles (reports of v.high failure rate on both) and troops (reportedly 15k so far).

In return, N.K has gained access to Russian tech which despite its limitations is far in excess of where they were. Guidance systems, Radars and other tech perhaps even some technical info on nuclear warhead optimisation to allow N.K shrink their warheads to a size that allow them mounted in smaller SRBM missiles, or to be mounted in MIRV form on their ICBM.

Kim seems to have decided to trade his ammo stockpiles for short cuts in weapons development. The problem with being given that tech rather than developing it? Is that you leave your own development process foundering.

Racing to build top heavy frigates (the info via op-int on the 1st points to a lot, an awful lot of top weight). The N.Ks seem to be repeating the Japanese ship building mistakes that were borne out of the Washington Treaty.

Flinty997

They used a different launch method they weren't experienced with. This is a ship building issue not a military one. Even if it is a warship.

It's not like other countries haven't had ship launches go wrong. It's just so rare in NK to launching a warship of this size that its high profile.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123475330#Comment_123475330

That's true, but I don't think that will be much help to the poor officials who are deemed to be at fault for it. It’ll be a long stint in prison—or worse—for them.

Hoboo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123475330#Comment_123475330

Not to mention, it’s little more than western propaganda/a bad news story about the failings of the enemy. Let’s focus on this everyone, nothing to see in Gaza and elsewhere.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123475656#Comment_123475656

Won't someone think of poor Kim.

Atlantic Dawn

Kim will easily fix it over the weekend with his welding kit and world class welding experience.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123475645#Comment_123475645

They'll be lucky to survive poor sods.

Kermit.de.frog

Best Korea

TheValeyard

You are all wrong. Obviously Kim promoted this magnificent ship to Submarine.

Sponge25

What's "unscientific empiricism" when it's at home? I think these so called Communists just make words up.

StevenToast

I love how everyone here is taking the piss out of North Korea....

Can you imagine the shìtbox we would put together ...itd probably cost trillions aswell...

Fùck me - look at the childrens hospital..

aziz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123476254#Comment_123476254

But at least the people responsible for the childrens hospital debacle won’t be put up against a wall and shot

As much as they should be

Exiled Rebel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123476401#Comment_123476401

In NK there's a chance they won't be shot with any old gun but with an anti aircraft gun like he has done in the past.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/30/north-korea-reportedly-executes-officials-anti-aircraft-gun-purge

Manic Moran

Chongjin Marine was an interesting choice to build the ship. A civilian shipyard which hasn't built anything significant in over thirty years, but was given the nod simply to increase overall production capacity for the ship.

corner of hells

Are we sure they built it ? Pretty sure I seen a ship like that on TEMU

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123475656#Comment_123475656

Not like this has driven Gaza off the front page?

Or else are you saying that there should be no news other than Gaza?

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123475656#Comment_123475656

Bit of a silly comment to be fair. There isn't an embargo on world news because the Gaza conflict is ongoing.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123475656#Comment_123475656

It isn’t Western propaganda. The story offers a rare glimpse into what is happening in North Korea. It is not, and has not been, headline news around the world.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123476254#Comment_123476254

Bollíx. The most famous ship ever, was built on this island.

Actually, yeah you are right, that didn't end well.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123475726#Comment_123475726

Usually in despotic dictatorships you are "lucky to die" once you get arrested.

Flinty997

True...

TheValeyard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123480680#Comment_123480680

To be fair. It was well built. Just didn't have enough lifeboats for ........... Nevermind.

Lucien_Sarti

This is genuinely puzzling and hard to understand why those so …..“interested"….. in the DPRK haven’t updated this with the news that-
The Kang Kon destroyer (damaged in Chongjin Shipyard on 21 May) has been promptly repaired and re-launched at Rajin dockyard on 12th June.

Real mystery there❗️❗️

Just read a bit of the NYT article in the OP, which is just another typical turd in an endless avalanche of cartoonish, fraudulent red scare 1.0, CIA anti-communist h*rseh1t – no wonder the people who read capitalist-sociopath owned media are so misinformed about their own political interests and adopt their overlords interests as if it is their own.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123543307#Comment_123543307

Of course DPRK would say that, what do you think has happened to the people responsible for the ship falling into it's side in a failed launch attempt? Was it unscientific empiricism that caused this?

Will they use the AA gun again?

(more seriously, of course they'll have fixed it, the story was the messed up launch making kim look stupider to the world, them fixing a broken boat isn't much of a story).

Lucien_Sarti

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123543344#Comment_123543344

Will they use the AA gun again?

I take it that you’re hinting at the typical made up out of thin air- anti-communist propaganda that KJU will/might/did have the engineers in question executed for the launch error.

This is a perfect example why logical, rational, adult discussion in this media & education ecosystem about the DPRK is impossible when any party treats such stupid & blatant (class) war-propaganda as having even a single atom of value or merit, or as a starting point part in such a discussion.

Its just too far from objective reality to be engagable with.

The only information about the DPRK available to people (i.e. information requiring no actual interest or effort) is this quality of war-propaganda so its not surprising that lots of people uncritically accept it & believe it when they don’t even know it is war propaganda in the first place.

the story was the messed up launch making kim look stupider to the world.

So you agree with capitalist sociopaths who think industrial accidents are something to laugh at and think it makes the leader of the country where the industrial accident takes place look stupid to the world. What a strange attitude.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123543481#Comment_123543481

Are you classing the effective monarchy of DPRK as an example of communism?

That's almost as funny as a brand new warships flopping sideways into the water due to unscientific empirical.

Lucien_Sarti

Still proudly laughing at an industrial accident I see.

Here’s a quick Quiz, No web searching.
Do you know the name of the 3 political parties that make up the majority of seats in the DPRK parliament?
Can you name the current & previous premiers of the DPRK (equivalent of a president role)?
What is Kim Jong Un’s role and is it ceremonial (in a family legacy recognition sense) or not?
Do you know that the premier & KJU have bitter public spats about policy differences and that KJU has no power to over-ride the decisions of the State Affairs commission.

Then explain how its a monarchy.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123544571#Comment_123544571

It's broadly similar to how the "communist" party is allowed to exist in russia, as long as they follow putin's policy and avoid being defenestrated or AA gun'd (and I thought you'd be happy with a weapon of war being broken? In your "obvious" style, are you pro war? Why do you want so many war boats to be built and repaired when they flop?).

Do you want to go into the constitutional messing around that has occurred since the "Eternal President" proved less than eternal?

What is the current leader (great or supreme) relationship to the previous leader(s) ?

iMac Hunt

I have no doubt that at some stage in the future North Korea will launch a nuclear weapon but I wouldn't be too concerned as it will probably fall straight down from the sky and land back in North Korea!