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All available evidence supports the Krasnov theory. The only thing I am aware of that Trump has done that wasn't in Putin's interest was renewing the ban on Orc ships access to US ports.
The Art of the Squeal!
What a traitorous wretch the Americans have become.
The US torpedoed the peace talks In London by walking out. Acting like a third world country. What Trump has done to the US will never be undone. The US influence over world affairs was largely based on relationships and formal arrangements based largely on trust and a belief that the US could largely be counted on to honour it's commitments. Poof - what took decades to build, all gone in a couple months.
I'm not surprised the price of gold has skyrocketed, it's proven once again to one of the few things that can be trusted.
A "robust" security guarantee … details to be confirmed. Yeah, sounds very robust alright. So typically Trump - all concept and no plan.
Even if you knew nothing about the (US) people involved, you'd know this was a proposal cobbled together by a bunch of used carsalesmen and estate agents, with no experience of serious negotiations.
A monumental waste of time from the Trump administration. Neither side have any interest in accepting any such compromise.
https://www.axios.com/2025/04/22/trump-russia-ukraine-peace-plan-crimea-donbas
(04/22/2025): The AFU conducted a successful strike (long-range UAV) today on the 51st GRAU (Main Missile and Artillery Directorate) located 8-km SW of #Kirzhach, Vladimir Oblast, Russia.Location: 56.100029, 38.751010
#Kirzhach
That seems to rule out smoking. It was protected by the most concentrated air defences in Orcistan, supposedly.
that’s a ‘great deal’!!!!! - Russia giving up the Donbas , etc, etc, etc, etc. Knowing what Russia is capable of - and the US when it guaranteed the security of Ukr if it gave up its nuclear weapons- the ONLY QUESTION is how long will Russia give up the Donbas , etc, etc for BEFORE it starts to attack again??????
There are no "guarantees". As we've seen in the US, administrations can change and a trustworthy ally becomes a cuntry in the space of a year.
Russia get to keep all the land it illegally occupies.
I'm afraid this was always going to be the way unless Russia was being pushed backward on the ground. maybe not every square inch but the vast majority. IMO when push comes to shove Zelensky will swallow it too if he gets the elusive security guarantee that hopefully ensures Russia will not be back for more a few years down the road..
Trump does not care about Ukraine - he just wants the war over so he can spin how great he is to his brain dead followers.
The recent smoking accident-
Sure, throw in Alaska as a goodwill gesture to Putin while he's at it, why not?
Surely even Trump cant be serious with this peace deal?
All Russian sanctions lifted and Russia get to keep all the land it illegally occupies.
Nah cant be real.
In the last 12 month's Russia has lost 3 or 4 of these colossal Arsenals. Many Ukrainian lives spared in that puff of smoke. Billions worth of damage prevented. The timing has been fantastic just as a new Russian offensive is launched. Weren't the one's last year just before Russia was due to begin the counter attack on Kursk?
Probably as useless as the security implied under the Budapest memorandum. Neither the US nor Russia have demonstrated themselves to be trustworthy actors.
wouldn't rule it out but the key point is what form of security guarantee for Ukraine the deal entails, and Putin's attitude to that. If he's prepared to swallow a credible America-backed arrangement we will know he is seetlling for what he has taken to now and has no intention of coming back for more unless circumstances change dramatically…
Explosions hit the 51st GRAU arsenal in Russia's Vladimir region, destroying 100,000 tons of ammunition. Glide bombs, artillery shells, rockets for multiple launch systems, and air defense components were lost.
That's a shame. One of the largest weapons depots in Orcistan, too. Think of the angst in Moscow tonight.
Ah well. That deal can f*ck right off so.
Was scrolling down to post the very same thing, RC. The tweet above is worded in a confusing way giving the initial impression of Russia offering to withdraw from the other oblasts - not so. They want to keep their ill-gotten gains and more.
Ukraine joins the Sino-European-Caucuses "No-Russias" club instead. Belarus joins as the 1 allowed Russia.
I would be surprised if Putin agrees to even the bestest dealz Trump can offer him to stop the war. What Putin is saying, through his press secretary, quote: "We are pleased with the latest initiatives of the American administration". What this means is that Putin wants to get the concessions from Ukraine and the USA, but he does not offer anything in return. Maybe another 30 hour promise of not bombing energy infrastructure, so that he can save up on drones to strike later.
The end of the war is almost certainly the end of Putin. Hundreds of thousands of hardened veterans flooding Russian cities looking to assert their rights? Ruined economy + saddled with literal ruins in the occupied East of Ukraine? There will be a revolution, and Putin knows it.
Stockpiling millions of rounds of ammunition only for it to go up in explosions like we seen today due to the Russian assets/mafia in Europe (like happened actually already in one em Central Europe countries)
No the money would have been better spent maintaining tooling and the knowhow expertise to rapidly scale up production when needed
Funnily enough the Soviet doctrine was just that with a disproportionate amount of officers that would rapidly scale up, with whole cities and heavy industries in Urals (that are gone), but Putin and corruption dissembled Soviet structures
This is why Ukrainians were and still are scratching head as to why there is such fear of Russia despite overwhelming evidence to corruption and incompetence
In short the money would have been better spent on competence and capability, something that’s not possible to recreate or replicate in a mafia state
Putin doesn't mean giving up the Donbass and southern regions. He means relinquishing their claim over the remainder of those region's he's failed to capture or hold this past 3 years.
So in other words we hold onto occupied Zaporozhye, Kherson, luhansk, Donetsk, Kharkiv while Ukraine and allies permanently cede Crimea. Sounds like a great deal for Putin who'll agree with Trump not to reinvade until another democratic is elected which will probably be in 4 years. So that's 4 years to rebuild the Russia army and refill their arsenal's. Ukraine would be mad to agree.
Exactly. The combined EU + Ukrainian army command* would trump the old NATO.
*No need for the EU army. Just the logistics and shared intelligence and planning between national militaries.
Honestly at this point is NATO even really a thing? Does America going forward even come to our aid if Russia rolls into the Baltics? I doubt it.
Maybe the best thing would be just to get individual security guarantees with the big powers in Europe and the UK then get Crimea back when Russia inevitably collapses.
Getting back the stolen kids and that southern landbridge with security guarantees in tow would be a pretty big win currently IMO.
I get what your saying and agree to an extent. The problem would be the US given its current authoritarian regime would no doubt block Ukrainian membership of NATO.
I'd take that deal and then join NATO in the future anyway. Wtf is he gonna do about it anyway? Complain about a deal being broken?
I don't think anyone knew what to expect of the war in Ukraine. If you told me 4 years ago we'd be looking at dji maviks dropping grenades on people's heads and homemade fpv drones decimating entire columns of armor by suiciding 5 rpg rounds into each I wouldn't have believed you. Equally I don't think that Europe nor the US expected the sheer volume of shells required for this kind of warfare.
By the same token if European countries were to directly combat Russia I doubt we'd be looking to get into an artillery trench warfare slugfest.
My point was just that this was a future honeypot of sales for the US and they've squandered it badly. But sure I'm just an Internet pleb so what do I know?
