First teaser for this arrived; looks moody and seems to be hitting more of the muddy, grim aesthetics of Rogue One... Lots of prequel iconography abound as well.
Ye me either. As someone else said that whole scene was a chore to warch and if you ask me tge show would be better without it. So far do I much prefer season 1. This has veen ok but I just think they are trying to put to much into each episode and in the end it ends up being rushed also it's not linear from one episode to the next. Like in the planet where Xassien is being held near the end of episode 2 when the women is shot and it ends then the beginning of episode 3 half of them are in the tie fighter and the other half on the ground. What happened there? It never showed it.
Don't get me wrong there is some great scenes in it and it certainly expands the Star Wars Universe but we don't even know half the places or planets mentioned so why should we care for them unlike Calderon or Nabio. Anyway I am sure it will only get better.
He was easily the best thing about the prequels and they got very very unfairly attacked for the trade war plot which was very good too
But Andor is a 2 and done show with it's own story to tell. What you are talking about is for another show.
That's a fair opinion to have. I personally think that bringing ideas like that in would move Palpatine etc away from the cackling villain trope. One thing the prequels did ok with was showing how Sheev manipulated the political environment to gain power. It wasn't through force lightning, it was through deception and cunning. For me, that fits well within the world and themes of Andor. Certainly moreso than Vader.
I was referring to Tarkin who has been CGI anytime we have seen him since the originals.
The show has done better than any other at showing how evil the empire is. Having the likes of Palpatine just bring the motivation back to religion and panto. The normal men happy to profit and prosper in the evil is far better to watch.
Bringing in the likes of the Chiss ruins it at this point. We have the good guys and bad guys. We don't need White Walkers outside the wall. And most people are only bored by all that expanded stuff when it comes into the TV shows.
Well, the novels flesh out their characters quite significantly. Thrawn seeking intelligence and alliance with the Empire for the Chiss, the Empire pursuing building the death star in part with a view to threats from beyond the known galaxy. The thread running through the Thrawn novels of Grysk infiltration and subversion would fit well in a series that's built around the ISB, and looking forward to Ashoka. Tarkin could just be recast, frankly this needs to be more of a thing for star wars.
It'd have to be CGI for Tarkin at least, considering he was CGI in Rogue One. Other than that, their motivations have always been little more than power and control. That's already been fairly well established.
At best we might get more info on Krennic's motivations and if there's anything deeper beneath the surface of his character, but there's little reason to start bringing Thrawn, Tarkin and the Emperor into this show.
I think this show is a good vehicle to drive into some of the motivations for the empire, beyond a simplistic want for power. It doesn't have to require CGI for that
Agreed, and I think that's where some of the other SW shows have fallen down, in trying to tie in so much to the wider universe and throw in or reference so many characters which don't really add anything. Andor S1 was so great because they kept it smaller, and focused on their own characters. While they'll obviously tie in more to Rogue One towards the end, bringing in Thrawn, Tarkin or the Emperor would just feel like it's trying to connect so many dots that we already know are connected. We don't need to see them.
The Mandalorian S3 and Ahsoka became messy because they started to become extensions of the animated series which a lot of viewers didn't watch.
I think and hope they will stay away from characters from other shows/movies. Especially ones that require CGI.
Krennic is different because he is an Andor centric character.
I hope we get some sort of scene between the high level leadership in the Empire. See a meeting between the Emperor, Tarkin, Yularin, Thrawn, Krennic etc. I'm surprised that none of the shows have touched on the Chiss and the Grysk as an enemy, given the plots laid down in the new Thrawn and Empire novels.
Wasn't shocked with the scene because it will just go over children's heads but actually having her say the word rape was a surprise.
How Andor does evil and flawed heros is just so much better than the black leather bondage panto villain style that some other stuff like Star Trek has done recently.
That scene with Bix and the Officer in the third episode though.... They hinted something might happen earlier, but I was still wasn't sure if they'd go there.. Just another example of how different and grown up this show is compared to everything else that's been before. That's not dig at other Star Wars, but I'm so glad this show is what it is.
Yeah it wasn't great, and didn't help that the morons were too comical in their arguing. Not that there's not a place for that, but it just undercut the desperation and urgency they should have been feeling, and the animosity that could then grow from that.
That planet scene was a chore. I assume was about tying him up for a bit and showing that he is now a fairly competent operator.
Brilliant! Tony Gilroy has done a magnificent job on this. The writing, production, sets, lighting, directing, casting are all superb. If Disney had any sense, they'd be getting him to run Star Wars, not let him go.
I didn't care too much for most of Cassian's scenes, on the planet with the morons. But still, overall, top notch.
Losing Brasso was tough after already being through so much.
What is it about engineers. Bix quickly racking up Mile O'Brien levels of personal horror.
Yeah the wedding scenes very nearly came across as being overwritten, like just inventing a bunch of weird traditions into it to make it interesting, but the levels of formality and tradition involved then contrast with Mon Mothma absolutely giving it socks on the dancefloor, yet still conveying levels of rage, resignation and sadness about what she knew was about to befall her benefactor while keeping up appearances, was absolutely stunning.
Sad to have lost Brasso though. He didn't have much time to really shine in Season 1 but thought he could have been a great addition for Season 2.
Ya that could have been awful cheesy like the wedding traditions which are always terrible in TV shows but it looked great.
In general this show does an amazing job with sound. The music is so often a big part of the scene and is rarely just background noise. The flyover shot as the music changes speed at the funeral is one of my favourite bits of TV.
Some of the subtle expressions are great too. The way Luthien and Mon keep flipping between anger, tears and joy as they move through the crowd or practically anything Dedra does with her face. That dinner scene was great fun.
a year between each segment!
what happens to the people on wheat planet, Cassian very selfish.
Oof, second half of episode three really nails the end of this arc. In pure filmmaking terms some of the best Star Wars we’ve seen - exceptional editing.
Mon Mothma rave was not the vibe I expected, but I’ll happily take it.
Eoin McLovin posted it a few posts above.
Its very well done, the last few minutes of the recap is very moving.
Andor is far and away the best thing Star Wars has produced.
Just watched the first episode so far, found the storytelling a lot more propulsive and punchy than series 1, fewer muttered allusive conversations. Likely this is mostly because I'm now familiar with the characters and get most of the references…
I was going to re-watch the first season in preparation, but never got around to it. So I was glad to see there is a 14-minute recap available to watch. I would recommend it if your memory is a bit hazy like mine!
Great first episode. Cassian's Tie Fighter heist was great fun. I wasn't sure about the three episodes a week but can't wait to watch ep 2 when I get home after work. I think this is the best Star Wars live action work since The Empire Strikes Back. Tony Gilroy just gets it in a way Filoni and Favreau don't.
Can't wait to see it tonight. Should have watched a bit this morning.
if I could do it again, I'd wake up early.
Just watched the first two episodes this morning and god it's good to have this back.
Without going into specifics, I adore how 'lived in' it has made the Star Wars universe feel. Even in its finest previous incarnations, it's not exactly a world that feels 'deep' beyond the visual design. Characters exist to serve their (usually plot) purpose. But this has a real sense of galaxy-wide machinations and consequences that really goes far beyond what was put on screen in even the original trilogy.
New episodes hit the ground running thankfully with several exciting, pacy plots running simultaneously. Loving it.
I must be cuckoo staying up waiting for it to drop.
The one SW spin off series that wasn't poor.
I didn't even watch the last 2 spin-off shows, but will be watching this for sure.
Damn. Ah well, guess it's just more time for me to rewatch Luthen and Marva's speeches again about 18 times each.
Boo, trakt was telling me they released at 8 this morning
Ah balls. Thought it was released this morning Irish time, not the small hours of tomorrow morning.
