Changed it there, even worse 😞
2 vs Tipps 11
2 scorers from play, not 3.
Some stats from Sunday, 2 scorers from play.
Scored 35% of the shots from play.
Probably wont be too far off that. Not sure what is wrong with Eoin Cody but Adrian Mullen some weeks away i think.
Dont think Drennan will get another chance. Shine should probably have started v Tipp and Owen Wall should definitely have been introduced. He is one of the only forwards we have with real pace. Id say Marty Murphy is probably a week or 2 away aswell. Not sure if he will get a chance as he has been out for the last month or more.
If we get all our men back and they are bulling for it we wont be too far away from Limerick/Cork but we have to be willing to put our necks on the line. Sadly that hasnt been evident so far in the league.
Your spot on about the money in the game. It's now a David v Goliath financially. Dublin due to population and Limerick backed by a billionaire has changed the landscape of the GAA. Personally I don't see croke park doing anything about it at the moment. As long as attendances are high and money is flowing into them they won't act. Long term IMO it could destroy the GAA.
IMO KK county board needs to have a big reset on the structures inside the county. We can't compete financially so we need to go the bottom of the pyramid and start to restructure the whole set up.
So we need to be smart where we invest our money. Do we spend most on the senior team or do we invest lower down the pyramid in underage.
When I have challenged the general (and I would argue lazy) assumption that Limerick just ended up with a golden one-off crop and when they move away, Limerick will be back to where they were pre 2018, I was mostly rebuffed.
Here we are 2 years later,and Limerick have developed 7 or 8 players that won nothing at underage and were well beaten by both Kilkenny and Galway at minor (neither of whom have yet mined a serious IC player from that same age group)
Keep telling yourselves Limerick are just lucky, and Kilkenny (and Galway) are clueless. Neither is true.
Limerick (same as Dublin infootball) are operating on a different level to the rest and unless and until the GAA move to bring in some form of equalisation in IC funding (for me a max and min funding per year would be the most equitable) that already wide gap is going to widen to a chasm that will make it next to impossible for any small county (even one with serious talent) to win national titles at senior.
Small counties have always won far less due to population but could compete. Now? Not a hope.
Take Kilkenny out of the equation and not a single county outside the top 20 most populous has even appeared in an AI final in either code since Offaly in 2000 hurling final.
The GAA IC model can only survive in the modern era with some rules based on IC funding.
None of the above should be taken that I think what we saw yesterday is acceptable for Kilkenny, it isn’t, but we must realise we are fighting a much steeper gradient than we have had at any time in our hurling history. Having lots of good hurlers is now just a small part of the picture where once it was by far the most important factor.
The crop of Limerick hurlers mentioned above were behind their equivalents in Kilkenny as minors, what has happened with them in Limerick in the 4/5 years since is the crucial difference, but assuming we (or Galway or any other county bar maybe Cork) can easily replicate that savage level of development of 18-22 y/o is misplaced. It is now desperately difficult, especially for a small county.
If this was the PL Lyng would have been sacked this morning. Clearly there are things wrong in the camp and we can all see that.
As lots of posters say here the whole set up needs a massive shake up from top to bottom and I feel that winning Leinster and getting to a semi or final will only prolong the status quo. Maybe going out in Leinster would be a blessing in disguise.
I thought Derek was the right man for the job at the time but I am not seeing anything on the field. I think it's going backwards every year. I don't know what way we are trying to play. Is it short like Cork/Limerick or are we trying to play a hybrid style short and long. Honestly I'm a little confused and I think the players are too. We don't seem to have identity.
Wexford would have to beat Limerick as well in order for the points difference to come into play and not the head to head so, realistically, Kilkenny are safe!
Surely a new face or 2 we can introduce. We are taking a step back with Richie Reid, Paddy Deegan and Mickey Butler on the one team. Always badly exposed when we come up against good opposition.
I would imagine there will be an emphasis on physicality,but since that is lacking, maybe something like this:
E Murphy
M Butler H Lawlor T Walsh
F Mackessy R Reid S Murphy
P Deegan C Kenny
M Keoghan J Donnelly B Ryan
G Dunne TJ Reid H Shine
Anyone care to name a 15 to start v Limerick on Saturday?
Blanchfield and Carey are going to be big losses even for their physicality alone.
Long time reader of this forum and avid Kilkenny supporter through thick and thin but enough is enough now after yesterday and I am just beyond frustrated at the state of things. I have never seen things as bad, and I remember the lean times of 83-92, having been at most every match then.
Say what you want about Cody, but at least he had standards, the current team have experienced a significant decline in those standards, which is unacceptable given their history. Kilkenny lack depth and have an inability to develop young players effectively, both which are major concerns (but both are fixable given correct resources)
The reality is that I believe Kilkenny are as far from All Ireland contention as they have ever been, potentially for a decade or more. This is a catastrophic place to be in.
With no axe to grind to anyone personally, The County Board are unfit for purpose, and I wonder is it time for a comprehensive overhaul. Is it time for an EGM to address colective mismanagement and declining standards. Is it time for a complete change, with no current members involved. Drastic yes, but to restore Kilkenny's competitive edge and rebuild trust within the GAA community, it could and should happen. At the moment, teams love to play us. This is the ultimate slap in the face for a county which such a proud tradition.
Take your pick😂
That was one thing Limerick weeded out in their academy’s.
For years who you knew got you a job with the underage Limerick squads but Gerry McManus (brother of JP) got the best people with the best interests of players at heart in the right positions and the Limerick hurling academy’s took off from there. People writing off Limerick after a loss to Cork last year when in reality they have filtered through another crop of under 23s in the mean time to the first team who are strong and conditioned and ready to impact senior hurling this year
Jason Gillane Shane Bull O’Brien Aidan O’Connor Cathal O Neill Adam English Colin Coughlan Ethan Hurley Fergal O Connor
I think you’re quoting the wrong poster there.
You would think things are bad enough after yesterday without wanting to pour doubt on the merits of our '20 win in '22. I take it you were in Thurles that day and spoiled the celebrations of those few KK supporters in your vicinity? Have a good look at the Limerick team they beat that day. You might also consider the Cork team that won in '23 pipped a Clare team by one point in Munster that was minus Adam Hogan last years YHOTY.No furore down there over that and we know what followed.
Kilkenny has a serious problem with nepotism when it comes to putting teams together under age. If your not with the 'in crowd' you are at nothing. It's got progressive worse over the last number of years. As a result good hurlers are just dropping away. It may not be the ultimate reason why we are not performing but it's certainly a factor.
If by revolution he means the same the same thing coming around again and again, he's probably right. It's rinse and repeat with the Kilkenny set-up.
Not for nothing, but maybe it's time we looked outside the county for advice? I'm not saying management, although I wouldn't be opposed to it either, but we clearly need some new ideas with developing players, particularly in the 18-22 year old age bracket, which has been a black hole for development and talent.
I don't care too much results at minor as with it being U-17 they're still fairly young and have plenty of time to develop and I would argue development of the core skills are more important at that age than success (but if it comes with success then all the better), but once past minor we've been an unmitigated disaster really in terms of development, it's been monumentally bad. Even in terms of S&C our younger players coming through look scrawny and weak compared to other counties.
I don't know what we're doing, but what we're doing clearly is extremely poor at that level. We're in a bad funk, and maybe the problem is that we don't know what we're doing but we keep hearing the same voices saying the same things, and we need to go outside the county for fresh ideas.
I don't know what it is, but looking at some of the youth that stood up and drove Clare on last year, the young players that have come through for Cork in recent years, Limerick's younger lads starting to becoming more in tune with the established lads, the younger Tipp lads yesterday, even the difference the younger Offaly lads have made to them the last year, we're at nothing if we're not bringing capable lads through, and we just aren't. Until we get that sorted, this famine is going to continue.
I would argue as well tactically and in terms of first touch, we are poorly coached. I know the lads in charge try their best and giving their all for the county and we should be grateful for it, but at some stage we have to call a spade a spade. One obvious aspect is our striking from distance, unless it's TJ, I have zero confidence in a Kilkenny players striking the ball beyond the 45 unless they're unmarked and in front of goal, we're atrocious at it, even some of the wides yesterday were criminal, the Deegan and Molloy (I think) chances early in the second half were just brutal strikes and both inside the 30. But we have been bad at this for years, particularly compared other counties, and watching the same problem pop up every match and not do something to improve that is just bad coaching.
It's even worse coaching given that we've moved towards a running game where popping the ball over at distance is a necessity as part of the game. We can create the space, but can't shoot properly. Our scoring rates from play over the past few seasons have shown that situation up badly, yet it hasn't even remotely improved, and in many ways has got worse.
We need fresh ideas within our entire hurling infrastructure, and they don't seem to be coming from within any more, maybe it's time we started looking beyond the county boundary. I think the hurling is there, you look at the success of our clubs at intermediate and junior which tend to be small clubs regularly winning AI's against bigger clubs, so I don't know why it seems to be falling down when it comes to wearing the black and amber.
How so ?
the revolution begins.
Why are you still going on about 3 players who have retired.
I swear you have never been to a game, coming on having a go at mossy again when he was excellent yesterday scoring 5 from play. He has 2-16 scored in the league and apparently shouldn't be near the team, we would already be relegated without him.
Billy Ryan has had a really good league to, he might not be the highest scorer but excellent work rate.
As seen as you want half the team dropped from the squad who are the alternatives?
Enough of your shite please.
I said it at the time but we beat teams in that competition who were missing their best players due to the rules in place at the time. Galway were missing 2 outstanding hurlers and we bet them after ET. Limerick were also missing the best u20 in the country in Cathal O'Neill. I was commenting at the time about the achievement due to the rules, i received some nasty comments. If the ridiculous rule change wasn't in Galway would have bet us in the 1st round imo
Some said Lyng managed our last successful underage team well it took him three years two disastrous years and then stuttered over the line in the third. Why they are given three years is beyond me two is plenty to start showing green shoots this did not happen with Lyng and the county board still ratified him although it was a bit underhanded.
You haven’t commented after any game we’ve won anyway because it would kill you to give anyone a bit of credit
Maybe you should have put in your own cv after Cody left you seem to know everything
Your crystal ball should come in handy the next time you do the lotto
I suppose Cody wasn’t good enough to manage kk for 20 odd years either in your eyes
I’m right about one thing your no kk hurling supporter anyway just a bitter old man
sorry I have being commenting after every match the fact is we lose more than we win
I love facing the tipp supporters after they beat use I get great satisfaction from it
Go in and read the comments from today and go back on my comments it’s just that I called it early
Re lyng when in his first year he put young Doyle into midfield against tipp I commented that he was not up to the job because if he was this would not have happened
I stand over that there were at least 5 others with better cv than him one actually training tipp
I told you Tommy Walsh not good enough
Told you Deegan gone past it
I told you Walter was gone past it
I told you fogarty was gone past it
Told you billy Ryan not good enough
I told you Buckley was gone past it
I told you mossy has not got it on fast pitch
Just like cork every time he plays in croke park he is taking off
I will stand over all these
I agree, I think Billy has had an excellent league. Loads of energy, pace and workrate, without him we have no pace in the forwards.
Mod Edit
Warning issued.
Are you for real or what? Billy Ryan was one of the few to carry the game to Tipp today. Eoin Murphy was directly responsible for 1-01 today another puck out over the line, wants to be involved in everything only what he should be doing, stopping goals,
Darragh Mc carthy’s hurl connected with Mikey Carey’s face guard should this not have been a red card also? If KK have any pride they should be going all out next weekend against Limerick, no excuses.
Regarding Owen Wall, I'm not sure what his match fitness is like, but he's just coming back from injury
