How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425200/#Comment_121425200
Yeah as another poster pointed out, it depends on where you are on your current pay scale.
Yawn
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You don't need to post three times in a row to let everyone know that you have, as ever, nothing to contribute
Precisely the point I was making to you! Nice to see you agreeing. I merely replied with exactly what you replied with here:
When I posted this:
You showed you had absolutely nothing to contribute, presumably because you accept increments are ignored when discussing % pay rises in the State sector and statistics of pay rises in the private sector includes all increases. You know a body like the CSO doesn't simply ignore some part of an employee's pay rise.
Far from me having nothing to contribute, it was me who had corrected that poster who was under the impression that pay increases in were "3% with the optional 1% iirc"
https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122924698/#Comment_122924698
I also assume you accept my correction seeing as you, in your own words, had nothing to contribute.
You're welcome.
Silence in the Court Room, Silence in the Street, the next one to reply to a comment with "Yawn" is a ….
The 2% increase is showing in the paychecks for the 13th for my department.
Just wondering if anyone knows anything about the 1% local bargaining that kicks in on Sep 1st? I think in the last deal it was just paid as a flat increase - but there were some posts here a while back that said that couldn't be the case this time?
Tks
https://www.forsa.ie/first-local-bargaining-claim-lodged/
https://forsatradeunion.newsweaver.com/singlemessagetest/16eng9h20w4xvx09ge10df?email=true&lang=en&a=11&p=65294904
No mention of AOs for some reason
The claim letter to DPENDPDR mentioned in the press release says: "Adjustments in line with those set out above should also be made to the higher scales in the Executive Officer and Higher Executive Officer grades in the Civil Service. Similar adjustments should be made to the Administrative Officer scales in the Civil Service without prejudice to the discussion already underway on the suitability and sustainability of the pay structure of that grade in the context of labour market issues." I would presume "scales" means both Standard and Higher.
Seen that after all right
But will this mean pint 4 will still skip as per the previous agreements?
I'm not a great fan of the local bargaining it seems very convoluted, the adjustments will be multi year as they take up more then 1 percent to be implemented. There'll be min enough between normal and highers scales too
A flat 1% all round seems more transparent
Really not good that Forsa lumps EOs and HEOs in with public sector grades. They just don't care about the civil service
Have I got this right ? The 1% is not a 1% pay increase across the board but the total pot for local bargaining - 1% of the total payroll ?
This has been put to Forsa members and the 1% pay increase across the board is not a favorable option.
Yeah because individually everyone wants more than 1% and a bigger advantage. Classic prisoner's dilemma
Hi, Circular 24 of 1995 seems to apply to EO, HEO and AO, is there a similar one of AP/PO? I've done some searching but can't find anything online. TIA
Appointments for AP and PO Higher Scale are defined as promotions. Those scales existed before the higher scales for other grades - APs and POs in D/Taoiseach and D/Finance were all higher scale historical, so those Departments (plus D/PENDR, since it's creation) don't have an assigned percentage of higher scale appointments for AP or PO.
You'll see promotion circulars for them around, like 16/2024 or 02/2025.
I've heard of other Departments and Orgs that assign by percentage, in line with the policy for CO/EO/AO/HEO. There wouldn't be a whole-civil service circular for it though, because it's not the same percentage-based process everywhere. Your best option for knowledge of the policy where you are is to ask your HR or maybe the union.
Thanks Kirbi. I was recently awarded the higher scale backdated to July 2024 and was wondering if I’d have to wait a year to receive it. I’ll check with HR.
Am I reading this right that the removal of points of the scale will be brought in from September 1st?
If you're on a removed point would there be backdated pay?
Or is this just a proposal? I'm trying to follow what's happening but it's a bit confusing.
It's just a proposal.
You would like to think it's more a claim than a proposal as local bargaining discussions must be wrapped up before June 2025. I presume the claim falls into the 1% of payroll parameters. If it does should it be only a matter of dotting the i's and crossing the t's?
are we just waiting on a newsletter or is there anywhere you can follow what's happening regarding the local bargaining?
Very frustrating nothing being said when it's possibly the biggest % pay rise for some (and eventually all).
Usual Indo reporting though.
when we get the ragebait article that the secretary general is getting a 3% increase we'll know the agreement will be close to the end i suppose
It's just a coincidence that a TD's salary is tied to those senior civil servant rates…
