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Trump and Vance waking up seeing the media reaction
Are Russia still losing?
Define winning or losing - Britain was in the winning side in WW2 , but it definitely lost a lot during the war ,
The US certainly won , the soviet union won but lost a staggering amount,
France ,lost , but regained it's territory ..
Ukraine won't come out better than the day it was invaded - but can still regain some or all of its territories -
Russia may gain territory - may not - but it has lost massively, manpower that it can't afford
Weapons stock piles that it didn't expect to lose and treasure it could have used much better elsewhere.. Russia has definitely lost - as has Ukraine
Its the degrees of loss and the spin that are still in play ..
Black woman in the white house or Bottom for Putin hmmmm time to live up those American cheeks
Are Ukraine still winning?
And national service too.
Finland was mentioned higher up
That’s a country not much bigger than Ireland population wise but smaller GDP
That's hilarious, already taken down by.....
When I saw Trump criticizing Zelenskyy's dress, when he arrived, I thought it was AI or the voice was dubbed. But it wasn't dubbed. He really did debase himself and the American presidency by dispensing with politeness and acting like an obnoxious pig. Booooooyyyyyy do the Russians have deep sh1t on Trump.
This bit must have been edited out-
You obviously never had a kick or a bite from a donkey!
When the Russians sent their crack donkey devisions it was obviously game over for Europe.
How oh how can we resist their cuteness.
Seriously though if I was a ukranian drone operator I would do everything to avoid hurting the donkeys.
Europeans will probably step in to the breach now and provide coordinated support to repel the Russians.
I'm not convinced Europe has either the capacity or the will for this
Really highlights how weak and insubstantial the concept of a country and nationhood is. Ukraine is a huge resource rich country of 50/60 million people and it gets treated like this. Countries are really only allowed exist at the behest and whims of the Powerful ones. We are lucky we are part of a club of similar sized countries who pool sovereignty. But by Jaysus we are at absolutely nothing without that. If we didn’t have the EU our only option in the hard world of geopolitics and realpolitik would be a province of Britain once again.
Most appalled person would be Putin. He had Ukraine teetering on the edge of capitulation but the Europeans will probably step in to the breach now and provide coordinated support to repel the Russians.
Taiwan have nobody but the Americans to moderate China's behaviour so China will probably move during Trump's term in Office.
This was like showing the prime minister of Poland in 1939 the Molotov-Ribbentrop treaty, and him telling Hitler and Stalin it looks like a crap deal for Poland.
Brian Glenn - a notorious moron - asking about Zelensky's dress attire highlights the absurdity of that meeting, Trump's administration and their ties with Russia.
That question removes any doubt that this wasn't a school yard ambush.
America, the great betrayer.
Or since they are big into the big business and tax cuts, maybe Judas Inc. would be more appropriate.
@johnnyskeleton "The first rule of mediation is that you are neutral and don't take a side. Trump acknowledged that by saying he didnt criticise Putin because then the negotiation wouldnt work. Yet he constantly, thoughtlessly and unashamedly criticises Zelensky and claims him standing up for himself means that he doesnt want peace. Trump clearly therefore understands the rules of being an impartial mediator, and has in one single speech shown the world where his interests truly lie."
Now the world knows how Trump behaves behind closed doors because he just had a closed-door session with no doors. He is a divisive bully and a Putin poodle.
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There is a strange divide across social media and amongst US politicians as well Lindsay Graham toeing the Trump line was extremely weak and spineless. There is simply no objective basis to say that Zelensky was in the wrong. Hes entitle to stand up to himself when the others try to bully him, and the salty reaction is not because Zelensky was wrong, but because Trump and Vance failed to bully him.
Thus, even though most of Europe would naturally support Ukraine anyway, the real divide is between people who see things how they really are and how in the world vs those who are starting to realise they are on the wrong side.
The first rule of mediation is that you are neutral and dont take a side. Trump acknowledged that by saying he didnt criticise Putin because then the negotiation wouldnt work. Yet he constantly, thoughtlessly and unashamedly criticises Zelensky and claims him standing up for himself means that he doesnt want peace. Trump clearly therefore understands the rules of being an impartial mediator, and has in one single speech shown the world where his interests truly lie.
That the MAGA types cant see that is deeppy worrying. I spent last night wondering how Americans decided to let a monkey drive the bus, so to speak.
you seen what happened to US stocks and crypto and eggs and us consumer sentiment last few weeks?
Don’t they give Trump, Vance etc airtime all the time?
They are “Russian government people” these days
Issue is the Americans seem to think the exporting company has to pay the tariff to the US government, they dont seem to realise its the importer who pays it and then passes it on to the consumer.
the MAGA cult don’t need to know the facts or the finer details on how tariffs work, all they need to hear is that their man is slapping a 25% tariff on those pesky foreigners who make their lives so terrible…..
None of it makes sense, but sense is a trait that idiots are devoid of.
MAGA doesn’t deal with the realities, only the soundbites they can post on social media ‘sticking it to the foreigners’
A temporary import surge may affect quarterly GDP (by the way its incredibly disrputive for supply chains; staffing up, night-shifts, unplanned overtime, that goes all the way to initial suppliers of raw materials to manufacturuers and retailers on the end of it, plus tying up cash in excess inventory, etc.), but the broader issue is structural.
Trump's trade wars have already disrupted supply chains even though he has (with exception oif China) bluffed so far, look at the boycotts people are posting about in Canada and holidays to the USA being cancelled. When it finally happens it will have increased costs for businesses, and will lead to retaliatory tariffs that will hurt U.S. exports. The manufacturing sector suffered, and long-term investment uncertainty slowed growth. These effects don’t just ‘wash out’—they compound over time.
Beyond this, the USA is near full employment now; there arent armies of people just waiting to enter new economic sectors that they dont right now because they cant compete.
Further, slapping a blanket 25% tariff on something right away is counter-productive.
Can you edit this lie?
Didn’t see any bowing today.
They sold out to appease Biden. They will bow to Trump too of that's what it takes.
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JJust Because of elevated imports ahead of the tariffs, exports add to GDP, imports reduce it - this will wash out
Rather apt.
Something which just occurred to me. Has Fox given any Russian government persons any air time in the past few years?
It's a country being invaded perhaps they couldn't be at the vote, we don't know
Ukraine has a strong record of voting for Palestine in a majority of votes.
