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Absolute nonsense.
NATO without the US would still beat the living sht out of Russia.
Russia can't even take over Ukraine so how are they going to get at the NATO countries.
Your fantasy isn't going to happen.
the above headline struck me as odd ..
So the US wants to impose a Russia friendly peace deal on Ukraine - while also not supplying more weapons or financial support to Ukraine -
So the US has no direct leverage on Ukraine -
The main leverage the US would still have would be energy sanctions on Ukraine -but since Bidens departure Ukraine is kinetically sanctioning russian oil effectively, all by themselves ..
Basically - Russia can put any conditions they like on their peace deal - if Ukraine doesn't agree to the deal then Russia can't extract themselves from the war - which is what Russia really needs -A 6 months to a year break , to consolidate,retrain ,re-arm and start all over again - under the protection of their good friends in MAGA..
You really have to wonder if Putin has something serious on Trump.
''In The Art of the Deal, Trump writes: “In January 1987, I got a letter from Yuri Dubinin, the Soviet ambassador to the United States, that began: ‘It is a pleasure for me to relay some good news from Moscow.’ It went on to say that the leading Soviet state agency for international tourism, Goscomintourist, had expressed interest in pursuing a joint venture to construct and manage a hotel in Moscow.”
There were many ambitious real estate developers in the United States—why had Moscow picked Trump?
According to Viktor Suvorov—a former GRU military spy—and others, the KGB ran Intourist, the agency to which Trump referred. It functioned as a subsidiary KGB branch. Initiated in 1929 by Stalin, Intourist was the Soviet Union’s official state travel agency. Its job was to vet and monitor all foreigners coming into the Soviet Union. “In my time it was KGB,” Suvorov said. “They gave permission for people to visit.” The KGB’s first and second directorates routinely received lists of prospective visitors to the country based on their visa applications.
As a GRU operative, Suvorov was personally involved in recruitment, albeit for a rival service to the KGB. Soviet spy agencies were always interested in cultivating “young ambitious people,” he said—an upwardly mobile businessman, a scientist, a “guy with a future.”
Once in Moscow, they would receive lavish hospitality. “Everything is free. There are good parties with nice girls. It could be a sauna and girls and who knows what else.” The hotel rooms or villa were under “24-hour control,” with “security cameras and so on,” Suvorov said. “The interest is only one. To collect some information and keep that information about him for the future.”
These dirty-tricks operations were all about the long term, Suvorov said. The KGB would expend effort on visiting students from the developing world, not least Africa. After 10 or 20 years, some of them would be “nobody.” But others would have risen to positions of influence in their own countries.
Suvorov explained: “It’s at this point you say: ‘Knock, knock! Do you remember the marvelous time in Moscow? It was a wonderful evening. You were so drunk. You don’t remember? We just show you something for your good memory.’”''
Alledgedly Russia are building a huge amount of Soldiers in Belarus at the moment
Just saw this on BBC
Ukraine war latest: Russia won't accept Nato troops in Ukraine as part of any peace deal, says Lavrov
Source: BBC
https://search.app/EGNj
That's an absolute worst case scenario and I don't think Russia could take all of Ukraine unless it is literally given weapons and intelligence by the US. Is that possible? Under Trump yes. But unlikely.
Most extreme predictions have all been wrong so far. Most obviously 3 day war. But also the constant wishful thinking here over the last two years forever saying Russia was on its last legs and pre 2014 borders would be restored soon.
Most likely will be a very uneasy pause in fighting along current lines while waiting for either for Putin or Trump to die or Zelensky to be assassinated and then see what changes.
Either way it's a catastrophe
But he didn't he then go on to call for elections in Ukraine, basically implying Zelensky does not have the backing of the people? Another claim Putin always makes.
I don't there's a remotely positive way to spin any of his remarks
Have to disagree with this. We saw how Trump lite DeSantis got on. The loonies don't seem to follow the same when someone else is saying the same toxic drivel. Trump seems to have some weird charisma for these folk that keeps them coming back to the trough for more and more slurry. Thankfully their dear leader is 78 but unfortunately there is plenty more damage he can do before his demise.
You might want to get some new facts on that.
I truly think the deal by the orange one with the devil has been made. Basically - Let Ukraine go, let Russia have it ALL.
Its personal for trump anyway as is always the case, he does NOT like Zelensky at all over Zelensky's refusal back in the day re Hunter biden. This is payback.
So my prediction - Ukraine will fall in 2025 and Putin WILL advance on former USSR now Nato States .. by then Trump will have pulled out of NATO. Europe militarily is weak as fck so Putin attacking Nato w/o USA will no longer be an issue.
Lies are their bread and butter. Great people to do 'deals' with.
Most of us would be happy to see the back of him, but killing Trump won't kill MAGA. MAGA is a 77 million-strong movement in the US, and growing by all accounts. Trump the martyr would probably be even more useful to the MAGA movement than the living Trump. The grassroots MAGA support is borne out of disenchantment with the American establishment and a belief that the people are the victims of the elite. Murdering Trump, their leader, would just reinforce that belief and make the movement stronger. We're really only 4 weeks into the true MAGA era. It will have to run its course and I think it will take something catastrophic to bring it to an end, such as an economic collapse or severe military setback. Unfortunately for Ukraine, I think that whatever brings it crashing down is many years away.
Would I be correct in saying that the only morons who actually believe Trump's nonsense about the Ukraine starting the war are the same morons who put him into office?
If so, let him ramble on.
Macron is a spoofer though and it has nothing to do with costs. Look at what has actually been delivered.
This is what France has provided - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#France
This is what Germany has provided - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#Germany
Record levels of heart disease, Cancers and Obesity. Yeah ultra processed junk food isn’t doing the damage you think it’s doing 😂😂😂😂cracker
I'd say absolutely plus Putin is in his ear now and likely has been for a while.
Well I know Trump is an idiot but is he THAT stupid? Maybe…
Putin has offered nothing in return for all of Trumps proposals. Nothing!
Trump has even offered to remove all US troops from frontline NATO nations! This is very serious.
What a load of apologist bollix. Why can't his supporters and staff just stand by what he says.
If he so smart why after everything thing he says do we get a "well what he actually meant was 😵💫". Is this saviour of America not able to speak properly ?
that depends on who's writing the history. his followers think he's the messiah and the smartest man to ever live.
usa are the ones that made arch enemies of russia anyway because they believed in a different economic system to them and tried to influence other countries. this is why they armed ukraine and organised coups and assassinations of leaders leaning towards socialism all over the world in the first place, to keep russia/ussr and their commie ideas at bay. now the country that has made by far the biggest sacrifices against russia are being hung out to dry by uncle sam. it's disgusting.
I'm inclined to say you're wrong. The phrasing aligns so heavily with those who have pushed the line that Russia was feeling intimidated by Ukraine's behavior.
Trump: "They should never have started it"
I think this is a muddled statement, badly delivered. I doubt that Trump really meant Ukraine is responsible for this war. What he may have meant is that they should not have started the defensive war and should have made a deal when Russia invaded. I'm not saying they should have made a deal but I think that is what the moron meant.
I think it has to be financial.
Everyone with an internet connection, a reading comprehension above primary school level and an IQ in triple digits already knows that Trump's incontinent, a racist,a rapist, a conman, a sexist, a client of prostitutes, a wife beater, a fan of golden showers and most likely has paedophilc and incestuous tendencies if he hasn't been proven to have followed through on them.
Your suggestion of adding murderer to the list is a bit of a moot point imo. Convicted murderers inspire less hatred in both the general and prison populations.
He's sown enough doubt about media and truth that even if video footage of him raping a five year old girl while being topped by a leather bound twink and urinated upon by Jeffrey Epstein were to be leaked by the Kremlin he'd be able to shrug it off with the expression "fake news" and Musk demonstrating a complete mis-understanding of deep-fakes and AI.
Himself and Musk are behaving as they are because Putin has the power to bankrupt them and, particularly for Trump, being known to be "poor" would be a far bigger insult than any of the above.
Going off topic here but I've never been convinced junk food is doing as much damage as the health fanatics claim. Life expectancy going up in the west all the time with most people living on ultra-processed muck. My dad and his brother going strong in their 80s, both with massive sweet tooths (although admittedly not so many actual teeth at this stage)…
I don’t care that it’s the Daily Mail - I love ❤️ the headline-
“I won’t sell my Country”
“The Ukrainian President declared that his country is not for sale, disputing Trump's claims that the US has given Ukraine $500billion and calling the suggestion that Kyiv pay this back with a mineral exploration deal 'not a serious conversation.'
'Look, we all want a victory, and we want Trump to win, and we want Ukraine to win, all of us to succeed,' he said. 'But there is nothing clear here... I am protecting Ukraine. I can't sell it away. I can't sell our state.'“
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14412791/Zelensky-blasts-Trump-Ukraine-President-disinformation-helped-Putin.html
It was not a treaty was it ? Minsk was a treaty wasn't it, guaranteed by France and Germany accepted by the UN security council and never implemented despite it being legally binding.
Thankfully this “emperor” doesn’t have any clothes on - I’m hoping that Europe and the wider world can see that.
My only concern is China- unfortunately the world needs the US to do battle with China and keep them at arms length - something that’s becoming more difficult - I’d love to see the dissolution of China manufacturing over time - its a price I’d be willing to pay if it meant their economy tanked and they got caught up in their own internal troubles
From an an American sums it up
'The fact the UK & The US signed a treaty that promised Ukraine's protection if Russia ever invaded them GETS OVERLOOKED WAY TOO OFTEN! I want to be on the side of history that stood by Ukraine. Since Russia invaded them we must stand by Ukraine & help them fend off this invasion.Seriously.. It's insane to see people online so pridefully talking **** about Ukraine as if they understand something other people don't know? The reality is Ukraine was invaded by Russia, so if you are sympathetic towards Russia, I pretty sure those propaganda tactics worked on you'
Russia is playing Trump big time, he will go down in history books as a moron if he doesn't wise up to their games.
Ya but unless he killed on of those women it won't hurt him. All the rumours about unine and scat are nothing compared to the fact he is a convicted sex offender.
Only things that will hurt him now are very young girls or videos of him bottoming for a bunch of dudes.
It's very likely he is just an idiot who is easily led by these far more cunning "strong men". His deal with Kim was utterly useless to everyone except Kim.
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