If they weren't ok with it, it got them out of their comfort zone and helped them grow
If they weren't ok with it it clearly wasn't ok to begin with. Comfort zone? What are you on about. No one would be comfortable with that. Its absolute nonsense.
I have been puzzled over the last few years why a school with the rugby history of M.C.B. has been AWOL in providing players. It seems that the school no longer approaches the game with any sense of value or importance. This activity will be another nail in it's coffin. The Governing body of the school will be loathe to fund any extra curricular rugby activity now and they would be difficult to persuade differently. 157 years of rugby history binned by morons.
The Rugby culture of the school in my time there had a bit of this arseing about but more humourous than bullying young guys to do such creepy, bullying, juvenile and disturbing stuff. You could return to the hotel and find your bed stolen..or your shoes nailed to the floor. One guy in Canada had his trousers hauled up a huge flagpole.etc. I suspect that anyone who had tried that disgraceful stuff in my day would have had their clock cleaned very swiftly.
Would you have any problem being forced into watching older team mates play with sex toys dressed in women’s underwear as either an individual or as a parent?
From shaved heads and streaking? Link please.
If they weren't ok with it, it got them out of their comfort zone and helped them grow. Never coached in Ireland, partly because of this soft, whiny mentality. And Irish society is very litigious in my opinion.
Kids have died from this type of sh*t in the US and in the UK. You can see why when adults defend it.
this 'oh it is/was a rite of passage' argument is the biggest load of bollix i've ever heard. id say alot of the kids werent actually okay with it but just went along with it
i really hope youre not involved with coaching kids anymore to be honest, or anyone for that matter
In the teams I was involved in, it was known that every the rookies would get a bit of hazing at their first away tournament. Everyone new it would happen including the parents (in the school teams) and everyone was fine with it. It was viewed as a rite of passage.
Just because a few people here disagree with it doesn't mean their opinions are "right". Just like my lived experience doesn't mean I'm "right". I simply don't see how what happened is worth 50k in compensation. I'm blown away by that. And so are my mates when I spoke to them about it.
Huh?
But I have a gay friend!
it was the fact that they were co-erced (forced tbh) into doing it
look pretty much everyone else thinks its unacceptable so that should say enough on this one
I've kept in touch with a lot of them over the last 20 plus years and they all look back on those teams fondly. And we've all had a few laughs reminiscing about some of the things that happened. So I don't think you need to feel sorry for them. They'd probably tell you where you could stick your pity if you did say anything to them.
Can you tell me what it was that you found so objectionable? Was it the head shaving? Was it the streaking? Or was it the playing with sex toys?
Forcing a kid (a 17 year old, btw) to run around a holiday resort naked, then threatening to post a video of it online unless he shaves his head. This is OK, really?
That is absolutely unacceptable and anyone who thinks otherwise only thinks so because they themselves abused and bullied weaker kids in exactly the same way and thought it was all a bit of bantz.
If I had a child in that situation, you can be damn sure I'd be looking for heads to roll too.
Absolute scumbags, and I'll repeat that it is shameful that Ulster Rugby have not taken any stance here. Did they learn nothing in 2018? Apparently not.
the attitude of 'that happened in my day so its fine' is ridiculous and one that is hopefully on the way out
i also feel very sorry for any of the young people you say you have coached where things like this have happened and you thought it was fine. i'll say it again, thats a disgusting attitude to have
From what I read in the article I really don't see what the big deal is. That sort of stuff happened in loads of teams I played in and coached over the years. In 4 different sports. It was all seen as a bit of fun. Kind of like kangaroo court sessions.
Another poster mentioned that some of it ended up online. Now that changes things and makes a law suit and compensation perfectly valid. But I think whoever shared it should be the one paying.
Unless the last word is😉 relevant of course….
Apologies, I didn’t read the article properly first time around and thought they all just shaved their heads as part of a pact kind of thing. The fact the older kids forced the younger one to completely changes things.
More like a bunch of lads were acting like ****, and taking pleasure in someone else's misery. **** them
You can tell the posters who held some terrified first year’s head in a toilet, flushed it and then called him a fag for crying about it.
Also worth noting the lack of apology or acknowledgment of any kind from the school and the utterly spineless response from Ulster Rugby, so basically this is all regarded as grand and a bit of banter.
Fragging is the deliberate or attempted killing of a soldier, usually a superior, by a fellow soldier.
Fagging is probably what you meant.
At least part of the incidents as described were placed online and thus had a more widespread and profound effect that such as may have been the case in the past.
Of course, the public nature of the legal case has placed the plaintiff before a much larger audience.
I’m not sure if you’re serious. Are you?
Team building has zero to do with older lads shaving the younger lads in any group.
I really can't see how anyone can attempt to condone it.
Meh, usually a bit of craic and can help with team building etc. Looks like a few things got taken too far in this example but don’t really see any issue with head shaving and the like, doesn’t harm anyone.
disgusting attitude to have
He must be a right little snowflake. Head shaving, nudie runs and silly crap with sex toys sounds harmless.
If any of it was filmed and shared or posted online, different story.
Yeah, this stuff is dumb and often dangerous with no upside other than older lads getting to lord it over younger lads in ways they experienced themselves. It's an offshoot of fragging in brit boarding schools and is rare enough in Irish schools in any kid of institutionalised form. It' definitely not normal.
whether the head shaving part is normal or not its a problem too
Too late for us to sue somebody ?
Bugger
The naked part is a bit strange and the sex toy part is very very strange but the head shaving is normal enough. We all did this for JCT and SCT over 15 years ago, you didn't really have a choice. Don't know about 50k when similar has been done since teams of all sports went on tours.
