It seems like a Jewish right wing are determined to start a Middle East war and WWIII . Israel is the equivalent of a Fascist state and it’s time to call them out as such .
I think it's to do with China, Brazil and south africa being friends with war criminals Russia, but also being critics of Israel. Now that Israel and Russia are in the same category, war crimes wise, it is a hollow point.
Ok thanks, I figured it was the people using it thinking they were making some sort of edgy point by regurgitating what they've seen on Twitter.
It's just another attempt to downplay Israel's guilt.
Yeah smacks of 'look over there' which we have seen once or twice since this latest round kicked off
What do you consider “Independent reporting”?
State owned or corporate owned media?
But that's my point i.e. how things have completely changed in the last 20 or 30 years. In the past, the western governments and the MSM would have been able to protect Israel and portray them as the good guys and 'the only democracy in the Middle East' etc.
But access to multiple forms of visual media in 2024 allows people in the West to see that they are not the good guys at all and probably were always a terrorist and apartheid state (long before October 7th).
Absolutely. The framing of information is as important as the content. Look at the reporting if the “Amsterdam Pogrom” for example. People saw through the false narrative because footage of actual events were available on social media which contradicted MSM’s reporting.
Sure they just disappear when the going gets tough and don't answer any hard questions. A sure sign.
In other news, a third of Jewish American teens sympathetic to Hamas… Damn anti-semite hating semites supporting semites that want to kill semites....
I'm getting confused here!!
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/one-third-american-jewish-teens-say-they-sympathise-hamas-israeli-government-poll-shows
The distrust of main stream media and politicians, experts etc was fuelled by the weapons of mass destruction fake narrative that led to the disastrous illegal invasion of Iraq.
I think the western reaction to the ICC ruling on Israeli war crimes is another WMD moment. People are seeing the duplicity, hypocrisy and double standards manifest.
When you put it that way, it certainly makes a point. Agreed.
On the other hand, if by any chance Netanyahu would end up on Irish soil, I can imagine the rivers of sweat running down of the two heroes insisting on his arrest. In this world nothing is black and white, unfortunately, we have to dig through many layers of grey..
Edit: I would bet my hardly earned 20 that he would come and leave without a bother. I never bet, but this would be a safe win..
So nothing is hidden nowadays, people watch 20 seconds of videos without a context and build their views on it, etc. Hamás posting "credible" info on casualties, Israel does the same.. Must be a bit of puzzle to find credible info. A lot of "independent" samples of journalism posted here by some, kind of always ends up as not being independent. There's interest behind almost everything these days.
I bet he won't risk it. Bibi is a coward who wouldn't go to any country that doesn't give him iron clad guarantees he won't be arrested.
There is loads of credible info and it doesn't come from either Hamas or Israel. MSF and Red Cross/Crescent employees on the ground etc. Israel murdered many of the Press on the ground to prevent them reporting the truth.
The chances of Netanyahu landing on Irish soil are slim to none**.
He wouldn't come to Ireland because he knows he'd be arrested, the Govt. would certainly not issue him an invite (other than to arrest him), and he has no reason to be here (unless he wants to be arrested).
Note that the UK have stated they fully comply with the ICC and its rulings etc.. So much so, they have enshrined that fact into their own domestic legislation. If he lands in the UK, he will be arrested.
** It is of course possible that if he were to fly to the US and there were technical difficulties, his plane might be diverted to an ICC signatory. That would be a very interesting scenario (unless it was Hungary of course).
Netanyahu he has a pathological hatred of Palestinians, whom he is now killing in great numbers via a genocide and also desires a greater Israel from the river to the sea. He is a monster. He is the Israeli Hitler. Netanyahu, Smodric and Ben Gvir see Palestinians as sub human and Jews as the superior race. All classic Nazi ideology.
Even if it can claimed that we can't be entirely clear what we are looking at when watching buildings being blown up, the videos of Gaza city looking like Berlin in May 1945 speak for themselves - the entire city has been levelled by the regime, virtually nothing is left standing.
The idea that they were targeting Hamas members only is clearly a bare faced lie by the terrorist entity known as the IDF. They have completely flattened the city and left it uninhabitable (population of the city was 750,000 in 2023).
And let's not forget it's not only Gaza they're attacking
"In Lebanon, more than 3,670 people have been killed and at least 15,400 injured since October 2023, according to Lebanese authorities, with more than one million forced from their homes. "
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy8ne9757jdo
"On a Thursday afternoon towards the end of last month, a 59-year-old Palestinian woman set out to gather olives on her family’s land near the village of Faqqua, in the north of the occupied West Bank.
Within minutes, the mother of seven and grandmother of 14 lay dying in the dust of the olive grove, with a bullet wound in her chest - she’d been shot by an Israeli soldier. "
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20gnvz1975o
I'm surprised we haven't had any pseudo-intellectual responses to this yet, no doubt she got what she deserved in the minds of a certain posters here anyway.
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So you're happy to dismiss footage of the IDF blowing up houses, schools, hospitals, sniping women and children, nuns, sheep. Let's not forget them parading around in underwear they've stolen from Palestinian woman. Any of that credible for you?
Personally I don't dismiss any footage but every army has problems with soldiers behaving incorrectly.
I feel like on this thread people pluck random videos and say "See, this is the ideaology of the IDF!"
The same thing happened with the US in Afghanistan/Iraq, there's any amount of videos of soldiers behaving unacceptably, but I don't take that to mean that the entire US armed forces is a barbaric force, but there was definitely a movement to paint the entire AA as this bloodthirsty entity that reveled in causing suffering and death.
Is Isarel guilty of warcrimes? Most inevitably. Is the entire IDF a bloodthirsty mob that takes pleasure in civilian casulties and inflicting suffering? I don't think so.
And for that matter I don't think the entire Russian armed forces are a barbaric mob either despite the never-ending stream of horrific videos from Ukraine. Like any war, most of them are just human trying the best they can under horrific circumstances dictated by their warlord overseer and desperately wanting it all to end.
Unbelievable this post ,has the feeling of we did it but we were only following orders, now where did we hear that before?????
There is no 'war' between Israel and Hamas. It's a small enclave and it is mostly being bombed from the air daily by the terrorist state with US weapons.
How do you explain the massive disparity in deaths between Gazans and Israelis if there is a 'war' on?
It's beyond "soldiers behaving incorrectly" with the IDF unless you think war crimes like mass murder and raping prisoners is acceptable. People on this thread aren't plucking random videos either, it's a pattern of behavior that the IDF consistently engage in. You might be ok with this but most sane people aren't.
The Daiyha Doctrine indicates it's not just a case of some IDF soliders going rogue/misbehaving in Gaza, that it's a deliberate and systematic strategy by the IDF that we have seen before.
No I don't think mass murder and raping prisoners is acceptable.
I am saying that all militaries behave incorrectly in conflict but I do not think it's indicative of the wider military culture of whatever nation that is in some conflicts.
I am talking on an individual basis here, not the overall willingness of the Israeli state to kill civilians as a whole to achieve unachievable war aims.
Is the Israeli state too accepting of civilian casulties? 100%. Is the Israeli state too willing to accept mass civilian casulties to kill one person, cell, or piece of infrastructure? Also 100%.
Is the IDF a rabid bloodthirsty mob that seeks to kill civilians for the pure sake of killing civilians and promotes or endorses same? I don't think so.
There is a war between Hamas and Israel. It's not conventional but it's there.
I don't have any justification for the disparity in deaths between Gazans and Israeli's, nor have I ever tried to justify same, other than a) Israel has a high-tech army and b) IDF/Israel Government seems to be very readily accepting of mass civilian casulties in pursuit of their war aim.
Are you talking about me? Where did I say anything remotely like that?
Yes my mistake, wrong post I was replying too ,sorry .
Snipers killing nuns and sheep, and drone operators shooting children who were already victims of bombings are patterns of behavior no matter how much you try to dress it up with excuses. There have been countless videos of IDF personnel gloating about destroying infrastructure and killing Palestinians but I guess you just see these as a few 'bad eggs' and nothing to be overly concerned with.
The IDF have committed multiple atrocities over the last year - in Gaza, the West Bank, in Israel and in Lebanon. Those atrocities are so base that two key figures in the Israeli war cabinet are accused of war crimes and warrants issued for their arrest.
The IDF is not like other armies - their "culture" is based on terrorism. The IDF is the same as Hamas.
Not so sure what you mean by that. And not too sure why that kind of question landed as an answer to my post?
