How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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There's definitely core civil service areas, particularly policy based, where skills may not be transferable, but it's definitely not every CS role.
Well the mimimum needs to be raised then! Entry level pay is not competitive (no public sector pay is competitive, really, but…)
You stated that new entrants should enter at the max of the scale?! How can anyone in any new role claim to be doing that job as well as, or better than, someone who has been doing that job already successfully for many years?
Read the post you quoted.
They may or may not have relevant experience.
Sorry, this is slightly off topic, but can any of you help me with how the increments work when you change grade? If you have one year's service as a Clerical Officer and then go onto the 2nd increment, but then move up to EO through an open panel, would you start on the 1st increment of the EO salary, or the 2nd increment due to having been in the CS for 1 year? I thought it was the former but I have just seen a post saying it is the latter?
I know that the salary has to be higher than the one you are currently on but obivously that would be the case with CO to EO for many increments if not all.
It might be a case of moving over to the nearest equivalent salary above your existing salary and then up another point on scale. Over one and up one used to be the phrase I think.
So you think I would move to the 2nd increment on the EO scale? I mean I understand that applying if I was on a much higher increment for CO but it is a big jump between CO's first couple of points and EO 1st point
You'll start at the first point on the EO salary scale unless your current salary is above the first point of the EO salary scale. If you're current salary is above the first point of the EO salary scale you'll start at the increment point that is closest, and above, your current salary.
Brilliant, thank you! 😊 Yes, that is what I thought, and that is what makes most logical sense.
I haven't worked it out but you'd have to have been a CO for at least a few years, to not start on the 1st increment for an EO on promotion. "Over one and up one" would make sense then, but not when you are already earning less than the first point.
On another note, in trying to get clarity on the above, I have learned about the New Entrants deal, where anyone who started as CO, EO or HEO, after 2011(?) gets to skip points 4 and 8. Am I right in thinking that this follows you as you progress up the grades and it is your 4th year and 8th year of service, not necessarily in the one grade?
As far as I know if you now move to point 1 on the EO scale you will skip the 4th and 8th point on that EO scale even though you have 1-2 years as a CO, it's not based on time in service but on missing the 4th and 8th points in the scale.
Ah OK, yes that makes sense.
Am I right though that you only get to skip them once? So, if I skip the 4th point on the EO scale and then get promoted to HEO, I don't get to skip the 4th point on the HEO scale?
No skips for HEO
The skipping the point thing doesn't apply to HEO grades at all.
Yes, I think the discussion I saw on it had confused AO with HEO
the next 1% in the public pay deal is due on October 1st - take it that means we get another lil bump in next week’s pay if you’re paid fortnightly?
Yes, correct.
Next week's payslip covers all of last week and all of this week. So, 4 out of those 10 days will be at the new rate.
The following payslip will see all 10 days at the new rate and will be your new fortnightly wage going forward.
Another question, but this time regarding this new increase. I am a CO so on weekly pay, I can't remember, but are we paid on the Friday for the week just gone or the previous week?
I am thinking it is the former and that the arrears basic pay that I see on the payslip for the 11th Oct is the increase for the four days of the 1st week of October?
I was wondering if there is a simple calculator to help me get my head around the pay increases? Currently I'm looking at this for the salary scale. Can someone confirm what increases were included on this one, and should we technically not have another one released now to take in the 1% increase from October 1st? If I want to calculate myself, what % increase from this should we see by the time all of the increases have been applied?
I am not sure where you pulled that from, the current scale is below for primary school teacher. The next increase is 2% so multiply by 1.02, then 1.01, then 1.01, then 1.01. This will give you the pay in each interval (note, I've ignored the local bargaining 1%). https://assets.gov.ie/306289/47930bc1-bafd-44c2-baef-d4386d741a0c.pdf (note, it will automatically download a PDF)
Thank you, the June 1st one was the top link I found, the October one wasn't available until I went searching for it directly. So based on that, I think the final increase once all is done from the October 1st baseline is a 5.1% increase. I can apply that to future scale points to get future earnings.
I think the final increase once all is done from the October 1st baseline is a 5.1% increase
Yep, 5.1% from the scale linked above if you ignore the local bargaining in September 2025. 6.15% if you include it.
Does anyone know the bereavement leave entitlement for a grandparent? I see a DPER circular from 2017 says 5 days for a grandparent, and a Dept of Health circular from more recently which doesn't mention a grandparent as an immediate relative. Need to know the up to date position for a civil servant (not in DOH)
As per circular 01/2017 I would assume five days....
I doubt if a grandparent is five days. Spouse or child is five days, siblings or grandparents I expect are two days
per the Bereavement Leave in the Civil Service circular mentioned
(b) Where there is the death of another immediate relative 1 the amount of bereavementleave shall be five working days.
1 For the purposes of bereavement leave "immediate relative” means (a) father, step-father, mother, stepmother, brother, step-brother, half-brother, brother-in-law, sister, step-sister, half-sister, sister-in-law, fatherin-law, mother-in-law, son-in-law, daughter-in-law, grandfather, grandmother or grandchild of an officer; (b) asimilar immediate relative of a cohabiting partner
important bit ito note in the context of your question is that this relates to civil servants not public servants it would appear.
Eh I'm relying on the Circular I referenced. Not on what I might or might not expect. And a spouse or child is 20 days.
Im pretty sure this is gone. I started on my exact same salary, Was off point for a few weeks then moved onto the next point on the scale.. there was no skipping a point
I don't believe it is gone. I haven't seen any circular to override Circular Number: 08/2019.
I do know the application of this circular has not be consistent. I've seen cases where people didn't benefit and other cases where people even skipped two grades.
I my case I was top of scale at my grade and when promoted I got given top of scale again. That was over ine and up one.
A person in another authority 6 months previius got the same promotion and went from LS2 to LS1 on new grade. They had to wait 3 years to get the LS2.
Amazing how it was handled different in 2 local authorites.
No offence but local authorities don't know what they're doing half the time 😝
Is it likely the local bargaining 1% will apply to all grades? I thought it sounded a bit wishy washy and no way a guarantee.
