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In the context of this thread, do you want to start with Russia's long history of lies in relation to Ukraine? It seems to be something you are concerned about. I can start you off with Russia lying that it wasn't going to invade, lying about being involved with shooting down civilian airliner, lying about indiscriminate attacks on civilian targets, lying about atrocities such as Bucha.
Or is all you have whataboutery and blinkers on when it comes to Russian lies and atrocities and you are just here to "peddle" (a word used in your post) anti Western propaganda?
I know, i am asking what is Nato's red line ?
Only if you believe western media and governments who have a long history of peddling lies to wage war.
To be fair, China does love the colour Red.
NATO are not involved in this war
What’s China’s red line?
Hopefully both sides can come to a peace agreement and stop this pointless avoidable war, if ever the world needs strong leadership in Washington now is the time.
What is Nato's red line ?
What????
Putin has had near a dozen red lines so far.
He's like a toddler with a red marker.
It's the same tactic since the start. They need to try and rope the west deeper in to the war. Understandably from their perspective but when false it needs to be called out.
There is only one. What is Nato's ?
A western official in the US says it doesn't appear to be an ICBM. Not exactly how you phrased it
Kermit is right though unfortunately. A lot of these claims are more in hope than anything else.
Interesting. Why would Ukraine make the claim if it didn't hold any truth?
At first slowly, then suddenly.
Hopefully. What's Putin's next red line?
All container freight on russian railways has been halted. There are already reports of long delays for consumer logistics (understandable in a war economy TBF)
The "imminent" collapse of Russian logistics that was posited early in the war was predicated upon the lack of western spares and resupply. Simple things such as the lack of ball bearings and the ability to cast railway wheels at scale never lead to immediate collapse. It's a slow decline before affected systems grind to a halt if alternatives aren't found. The Chinese are that Russians great hope for ensuring that ball bearing supplies can meet demand. Already causing issues and again, being worked around but not eliminated.
A US official has denied Ukraianian claims an ICBM was launched by Russia.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/nov/21/russia-ukraine-war-live-storm-shadow-missiles-kyiv-putin-zelenskyy
Launching ballistics against cities just shows that Russia has a massive inferiority complex.
We've heard since March 2022 that any day now the Russian military will collapse. If it is collapsing why is Russia winning this war on the battlefield? But any day now…
Maybe Biden and Starmer escalate further now eh Josip ?
The Russians are already running into serious issues with refurbishing Soviet era war stock engines for their Kh101 & KH55 cruise missiles.
Production rate of new missiles appears bottlenecked by engine production rates so refurbed engines are being used on new missiles. Leading to growing numbers of launch failures. Reports of missiles being released from Tu95s that are failing nearly immediately.
There's a lot of anecdotal reports of this on telegram groups. Below is a twitter thread of same.
Couple these reports with the collapse in Russian Railway transport and their logistics are collapsing. They are benefitting from huge soviet era war stock but even that has limits.
How Russia manages it's "skilled" aerospace & engineering workforce will massively impact just how many cruise missiles it can launch as the war continues. This can already be seen in the reduction of the frequency of mass cruise missile launches. The reliance on shaheed and other attack drones also point to restrictions in supply of more advanced weaponry that were very common earlier in the war.
This is the thing, I think you've hit the nail on the head with Trump, no one has a clue what he'll do as his opinions seem to change in the wind. He could start a conversation with Europe that would agree for X amount of weapons bought from the states that he'll keep the support flowing. He could decide that Putin is on his last legs and try and push the Russians back with his own troops if he believes there is an easy win. He could just as easily cancel all military "aid" and instead say if you want help, buy it. Or he may just ignore the whole thing and let the status quo continue. ultimately, the "aid" for Ukraine has been an economical boon for the states so I can see them stopping it. Their manufacturing for weapons is ramping up and the manufacturing industry is one that his voters represent so they will be happy with the money this is generating. That's not even considering that for 0 boots on the ground, the US military are seeing arguably their greatest rival getting obliterated just by sending over old weapons due to be destroyed and charging for new ones. But I think if he decides to cut off aid and force a settlement, I think he may be surprised to find out that Ukraine may not be interested and there are elements of Europe that will help, especially in the baltics, to back them up. And regardless of how prevalent the failure to meet demand is for the munitions being developed in Europe is, the reality is that production IS increasing. That alone is a very positive message
Also Peskov does not comment on the reports.
Heavy attack-
https://x.com/DailyD1ss1dent/status/1859534491066433964
It would of been messaged to the Pentagon without a doubt. They still have open channels with them.
No official comment from the Kremlin yet though.
Probably more an attempt to 'respond' to the US and UK allowing their missiles to be fired at targets in Russia.
That must have given folk manning Aegis Ashore site in Poland a conniption this morning!
An indication of the state of Russia's "conventional" missile stockpile? Resorting to using ICBM to strike at Ukraine.
Naive Sinn Fein are still living back in 1916 or 1923. Mary Lou has continual fantasies about chasing the Brits. up O'Connell St. with a musket as they run for the boat in terror.
Are you willing to enlist?
I don't think he is a great admirer of Putin at all. I think without doubt the Russians have intel on him or members of his family. There is simply no other reason for that level of subservience, publicly and privately.
It could be argued that Trump now for the first time has leverage over Putin. But I'm not going to try and guess what that dotard will or won't do.
But the reality is if Trump and his ghouls set off a chain reaction that leads to Russian tanks in Kyiv, then Americas standing in the world will be severely diminished, probably unrepairable.
The EU will inevitable change relations East. Taiwan will become Americas sole problem and the support for alliances in the middle east will shift.
In 20-30 years time you will have a far more militarised Europe, you could even see the likes of Poland and Finland become nuclear powers as NATO seizes to be a club that guarantees security.
There is your basis for WW3.
