Old thread seems to be permanently locked. It will be interesting if anything can come of this at last.
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You're right,😁
way more is pushing it but "more" isnt
but the pro Bailey on here
Would people stop with this. Nobody is pro-Bailey and you know it
A lot of posters here need to take their own advice and look at the case without rose tinted Bailey glasses on and look at it objectively without thinking he is innocent straight away.
So there is no presumption of innocence until proven guilty then? The onus is on AGS to prove the murderer guilty. After almost thirty yuears of trying, they have nothing on Bailey (and this is also despite some questionable acts by AGS). What those you tag as "pro-Bailey" want to see is a proper investigation that looks at evidence rather than something that bears the hallmarks of "we have our suspect now lets find the evidence" approach (which we know has led to many miscarriages of justice here). I remain open-minded about who is responsible. If Bailey is shown through actual evidence to have killed Sophie then I'll gladly accept that. At this point in time, the evidence does not indicate towards anyone at all.
Thank you
I don't think any woman who voted for Trump actually lived with him though. Not even his wife wants to live with him 😂
The legal system in France is different to here, in France you've to prove your innocence instead of them proving your guilt, he didn't travel to France for trial because he knew he would be found guilty because of all the inconsistencies in his statements and stories. He lied about knowing her, lied about where he was, fire out the back of his studio and we could go on and on but according to some everyone else is lying and Bailey wasn't.
Again i'm not saying he did it but the pro Bailey on here is crazy, blaming the Garda for how they investigate and question people (which to this day is still done that way), the way the pay informants (again, still done to this day) and many other things that have been said which is the normal course of things.
I know you yourself didn't say it but people saying Jules would know is total codswallop, most murderers, pedos, people who commit sexual assaults etc are wired different to others, most cases of these people that have been convicted live perfectly normal lives and commit these crimes without their partners/wifes/husbands etc not knowing anything about it at all until they're arrested/convicted for it and most of the time they still stand by their significant other saying they're innocent. People aslo saying it wasn't a sexual crime aren't right but they're not wrong either, there's been loads of cases of murders the world over and the motivation was sexual but the killing part was the part that the killer got sexual gratification from, the victim was not sexually assualted themselves.
Bailey didn't do it there's way more evidence pointing to Alfie😁
The DPPs office here looked at the evidence multiple times, and concluded there was insufficient evidence for him to stand trial. Not only that, there are scathing criticisms of the evidence and Garda conduct on the case from the DPP.
Senior Gardai are recorded discussing the case, and noting that all they have is "flimsy evidence".
So if he got convicted of murder in France, that should tell you a lot about the French judicial system and miscarriages of justice.
Looks like you've solved it so! 🙄
Bailey according to some allegedly too pissed to walk or drive to Sophie's
No problem remembering and getting up and finishing a newspaper article
Gone all nite and conveniently leaves finished article on kitchen table for Jules to see
Forgets about the events of that nite shortly after
The logic is breathtaking.
Ah here we go
Theres no evidence on bailey
Only he got convicted of murder in france
Bailey has fought with his wife knew he couldn't trust her
Clearly you've a good understanding of the details surrounding the case 🙄
Look, all I’m saying is that you should practice what you preach. I’m not sure I would call anyone on here pro-Bailey tbh. Maybe there are people who put him on some sort of pedestal, but I haven’t come across any. The vast majority that I come across here are earnestly searching for justice for Sophie. That involves revisiting the information and evidence with fresh eyes, and not to get bogged down in the mistakes of the past.
With fresh eyes it is clear that there is no evidence for a 3 a.m. murder, and statistically it is more likely to have happened either at midnight, or the morning. In addition given that blood was fresh on the face, would push it to morning time.
With fresh eyes it is evident that there should be more dna investigation carried out, and more cross referencing of the unknown dna that was found.
With fresh eyes it is evident that a new appeal for information should occur, similar to that of the JoJo Dullard case, and any loose ends not followed up on back then, should be now.
The gardai who attended the scene should provide updated statements, given their extensive knowledge that they have built up in the 30 years since and revisit their assumption also.
None of the above categorically rules out Bailey, and if he did it, would actually increase the likelihood of getting to clear evidence in his case. Anyone who comes on here claiming that supporters of these assertions are pro-Bailey, is being ignorant at best imo.
Its not about "belief in his guilt"
Correct
And just a view
Was discussed before , it happens
I just can`t help thinking about all those intuitive women who voted for Trump.
So, he made numerous "confessions" to diverse local characters, whilst simultaneously hiding his guilt from Jules and her daughters.
Hmmmmm……….
No that's not my thinking at all
But sure go ahead and post anything
You're simply making up scenarios to justify your belief in his guilt!
I enjoyed discussion with you for a while until..
I don't believe everyone is pro bailey just a majority here
Anything pointing at Bailey gets shot down by them
Alfie is now a chief suspect for some with more evidence pointing at him allegedly, that type discussion goes unchallenged by the majority
That's why I believe he said nothing to her
He simply knew that would be his downfall
Yes, I don't believe that Jules would have covered for Bailey if she knew he had done it.
I don't believe that she would have allowed him to continue to live with her and her daughters if she even suspected he was a murderer.
And I don't believe that Bailey would be able to hide his guilt from her for all those years, whilst every detail of his behaviour was scrutinised in public. Women certainly are more intuitive than men, particularly where family are concerned.
The fact that Jules and her daughters, despite him assaulting her, despite their distaste for him and despite the fact that he is now dead, still say that he didn't do it, is a powerful argument against his guilt.
Women are very intuitive - We sense things in a way that men cant. Jules lived with Bailey for 25 years after the murder and even after his death she is positive he didnt do it. Even Jules daughters (who hated him) dont think he done it.
Jules and her daughters had alot to gain from getting Bailey locked up - it was the perfect way of getting rid of him out of their lives. They didnt do that though because they have a conscience and are convinced he was innocent.
The thing with Jules is
I believe he knew not to tell the person closest to him
if he was the murderer is key though.
It’s all just speculation, whether from someone on boards, or the gardai. If there’s no meaningful evidence, that means the story/throry was all just made up by someone at the end of the day. How does their opinion hold more weight than anyone else’s? because they had a bigger megaphone, that’s it really.
Yes..but multiple other strands...if there was any doubt in Jules family they would have sensed it and ended any connection to him..but maybe he had all himself cleaned and all done back in morning to make Jules coffee..
Would none of them heard him come back in.. acting strange... wasn't there said be bucket with black coat..soaking in water...
He was confident and willing to provide any samples...and that he knew left no DNA....it's very fine line. Fire burned at Christmas...
Sophie has contents of food in her...would she be eating such breakfast food at 3am..
How could bailey know for sure..nobody was in house when act occured...they could have been hiding in wardrobe with fear of it all...was a simple check and pulling out back door enough and no need to go inside...if he didn't know hee very well..if which we have no evidence...then how would he know she hasn't got a companion as late as that evening..when bailey was in pub…
But he could have been there...but ite such a stretch to do all these things. Clean himself down at kikfadda. Not be heard. Not be seen by anyone else..but walked all way home..no DNA...finished a article. No more sleep. Made coffee in Am. Then went off to investigate...
He only owned one set of clothes? There's no chance he could have destroyed the set he had on that night? Nobody knows for certain what he was wearing so it could have easily been done. Not saying he did it, I just find it funny the same things being repeated all the time when there's simple explanations as to what he may have done with said clothes if he was the actual murderer, he had plenty of time to dispose of them before he became a suspect.
The fact that she took the time to put her walking boots on strongly suggests that she left the house intentionally. She would hardly have put them on to answer the door.
You forgot the bits about him making sure that none of her blood, hair or any other source of DNA got onto his clothes (which the gardai took away). And the bit about the inside of the house not being disturbed. Oh and the bit about her more probably being killed in the morning.
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