My bad. Absolutely an innocent
I didn't know he collected her at 10am. Where did you see this? Was he out partying the night before too??
Good post. I agree that texting him to party, even if her intentions were the ride then, doesn't give consent for the rest of the day/night.
The damning evidence is the tampon lodged, nobody can be that kinky…
Nobody would intentionally do it. But when you factor is this person has bee on a drug bender for best part of a day. To the point they aren't behaving like themselves, they may not even remember it is there. I don't think that is a slam dunk piece of evidence.
Others then commenting "she did this after" etc.. you are in flight or fight mode, not everyone screams and runs to reception.
Not every one runs to reception. People don't act normal in fight or flight mode. But hanging around for the day, being affectionate (on CCTV) with both men, sleeping with the other one, "celebrating" in the parking garage - those actions do not sound as fight or flight. The celebration gesture in the carpark is the more damning one.
The issue is, if she was raped, or if she did it for the payout. Her actions would be the same. That's the challenge with some much of this happening with "partying together". They were both out cheating on their partners. The jury is being asked how far people had planned to go at a specific moment in time. That a lot tougher than people are letting on, and I think the smoke without fire aspect is leading people. His has form, he's almost certainly done some of the tinge that have been report, he probably hasn't done them all. Which is which is not easy.
The hanging around after it, acting “normal” (what is alleged by the defence), will of course be used.
But with drink and drugs, and an alleged rape, it’s not at all inconceivable that this woman was in a kind of “wtf out of it” haze, unable (at that time) to comprehend what had happened to her.
It’s what happened in the immediate day and days after that in my view tell the story of what she experienced.
same here. I think she was collected very early hours, circa 00:15 of the day this all happened
They were trying to wait around for the Goat to reopen. Confirms it was getting light out. She sent McGregor a DM, she says, on Instagram. She said “send us your number.” He sent on a number and she rang McGregor. “He asked me where I was. I told him where I was and he said he would come and get us.”
“It was taking ages, Danielle didn’t believe he was going to come. We were getting fed up waiting.” Says there were phone calls back and forth. Asked what time he turned up “probably about 9/10 in the morning.” Outside the Salon in the car park.
I think the tampon is a huge statement to the jury 1) She told him she was on her period 2) She knew afterwards it was still lodged up there, this was after leaving the hotel, going to her friends then to her mams
I posted it above. We don't know if he was out the night before, but she said he got cocaine that he gave to the girls but she doesn't remember any of the lads taking any
Some more what appears damning medical evidence today.
The issue is, if she was raped, or if she did it for the payout. Her actions would be the same.
Well, not necessarily, she could have taken a big payout and stayed relatively anonymous. It's obviously about more then money.
So according to the evidence she had bruising around her chest, breast, down her legs, as well as around her buttocks and thighs. Also confirmed to be suffering from ptsd subsequently.
McGregor a real hard man.
A number of newspapers providing live updates as the hearing continues and summaries of testimonies from various medical individuals this morning .
yep, but to some it’s all a set up for a few bob😖
Pretty damning evidence today. Unless McGregor defence can set something out to say Ms Hand regularly enjoyed rough s*x, it's going to be difficult to argue against the extensive bruising.
Which again begs the question - what were the DPP at?
yes. Strange one. They must have had their reasons, of course; and the woman was said to be devastated that she didn’t get to a criminal trial here.
Must be just him then…
😅..
The term is used in a civil context too. I've seen similar to your statement posted on boards before.
You cannot find guilt of a criminal offence in a civil action. But that doesn't mean the word is not used in other regards. For example, someone who is guilty of contempt of court, or guilty of negligence. It's can be a civil finding rather than a criminal one.
What does that mean? Do you know who he is?
Yeah I am aware of who he is.
Him saying he would want to see it, versus it actually happening are polls apart. And with how this case is going, no one would want to watch this cretin for free. Bear in mind, he was a 2 weight champion when he did the exhibition with Mayweather, and he was dragged along for fun by him.
No one in their right mind will pay to watch him now, even at a stretch in the UFC. When was the last time he won a fight in his weight class again?
If he loses this case it's a big hit. If he doesn't lose it he'll fill any arena. He's huge, one of the biggest names in sport today.
I don't like him but that doesn't mean I have to lie about him.
You are lying to yourself if you believe that a double of an MMA and boxing match featuring one of the two biggest PPV athletes of all time and the P4P king of boxing wouldn't draw massive crowds both in an arena and through ppv.
As I said I believe it all depends on the outcome of this case.
Don't think that's realistic. Mike Tyson is a convicted rapist and has appeared in movies, is generally liked, and is fighting the coming weekend in a huge PPV however ridiculous it is.
McGregor is the biggest star in the history of MMA. You don't have to like it, but even circus fights, he will fill seats. He's linked to half of the biggest selling pay per views in the history of combat sports.
When he last won a fight is kinda irrelevant to that. It won't last forever, but he's still famous enough that people would tune in.
He received a crazy payday for Roadhouse and it brought massive attention to the movie despite McGregors "performance" being absolute dogshit and he hadn't won a fight for years at that point either.
Nobody outside boxing has a fooking clue who Terence Crawford is, and nor do they care. Of course a match between McGregor and Crawford sells an arena out, big deal; but this talk of 200 million on the table is beyond lunacy
Rubbish he will, his glory days are well over at this stage. He is nowhere near as big as he was, and it is laughable to have him to say he is one of the biggest names in sport, especially as he doesn't even compete anymore, he just talks about competing.
Ok?
Hate to break it to you, but the average person wouldn't know who Terrance Crawford is at all, he was even misnamed at a UFC event recently as Kendrick Lamar FFS. If they have to have it in SA, then that tells you how popular it would be as an event. An American promoter wouldn't touch it.
More rubbish, this fight happening or not is not dependant on this case. It might influence it, that is all.
Easy decision to make.
None of those mean he didn’t do it, but no chance of proving it to all jurors beyond a reasonable doubt
Much better chance of ‘balance of probabilities’ and also only need to convince 7 of the 12 jurors. The medical evidence seems to reach that bar. However, it is worth remembering that we have only heard from prosecution witnesses. If there are any defence witnesses, we’ll need to hear what they say
Mike Tyson is as much of a cult figure than anything at this stage. His upcoming fight, at his age, is not comparable to what is being proposed here with Crawford. It would actually make more sense for McGregor to fight Jake Paul, that is the type of comedy show it is.
McGregor is the biggest star in the history of MMA. You don't have to like it, but even circus fights, he will fill seats. He's linked to half of the biggest selling pay per views in the history of combat sports.When he last won a fight is kinda irrelevant to that. It won't last forever, but he's still famous enough that people would tune in.
People tuned in expecting to see him win, it is a long time ago now. Like I said, he would be better placed to do a joke fight with one of the Paul brothers. He would be smoked by anyone in the top 20 at LW right now in UFC, so you can imagine what a boxer would do to him.
He is over the hill now, he might have been able to pull a crowd before, but now I can't see that at all. I can't see him fighting in UFC again ever at this point, even less likely against Crawford, who is probably still interested in actually boxing and waiting out for Canelo, which would be where the real money is for him.
The massive attention that meant it went straight to streaming? Ah yes, makes sense.
Where did you get the information that she didn't want to press charges?
I think the poster is more supposing it as a 1 possibility as to why a charge wouldn’t be brought, not that she actually didn’t want to press charges.
How does Dee show her face in public with everything going on, we all know he been with many woman while with her. Maybe she does not mind. But this going on now must be very hard.
Whether he guilty or not. It looks very bad for him now.
It's a good question but not without equal. Why did Colleen Rooney stay with Wayne Rooney despite the constant humiliations for example? At the end of the day it's their choice and they have their reasons.
