It seems like a Jewish right wing are determined to start a Middle East war and WWIII . Israel is the equivalent of a Fascist state and it’s time to call them out as such .
Who exactly are you quoting here? You were caught out justifying an attack by Maccabi fans in Greece so you press the Holocaust denial button.
Let’s see the video Mark. Did you make up the bottle thrown by the victim entirely or was it on a Maccabi ultras fan site?
So that is a 'No', you will not believe anything in regards this attack from the Dutch authorities as it has been reported.
You certainly are dogged in this endeavour of yours.
Why?
Did you make up the bottle throwing Mark?
Entirely made up?
Victim blaming and justifying violence. That moral high ground looks like a valley.
It’s distraction from something he claimed earlier.
So the views of the COJ are to be dismissed in this case?
Also, if David Baddiel directed Hate Speech at a group, he would have been charged by the police. He wasnt and hasnt therefore, you are wrong about that.
Its a convenient excuse you have to dismiss his point of view, but other Jewish groups are saying similar things. Are they all to be dismissed?
What is the motivation for people to come on to anonymous message boards and expending energy lying and trying to claim black is white over and over again.
No, sure ye haven't started to use that one yet. One would have to presume that that will be the next one when you've bled "pogrom" dry
I think you have answered your own question
Does the answer have something with you displaying antisemitic feelings, as you will not and cannot acknowledge that Jews can be a victim, as per what happened the other night?
I am sorry to have to put that charge to you, but your posts have a certain veneer to them. A number of posters have taken you to task over your opinion and you just side step them all.
The most obvious conclusion is that you don't like Jews.
I have already done this with you.
The facts as we know it at the moment are coming from the Dutch authorities and the Dutch police.
You have set a high bar when discussing this event, as if we need to have all the court cases done and dusted before we discuss this further, but then do not challenge others with the same benchmark as you are asking here.
Why is that? Why are you trying desperately to downplay what the Dutch authorities are saying about these Anti-Semitic attacks? I don't think your motivation is 'truth' as you do not take others on, with the same claim for 'evidence' and 'facts'.
Why are you making up stories to justify Zionist supremacist violence?
Why won't you ask the charges put to you?
A few posters are asking the same question, but you refuse to engage honestly.
What is your motivation here?
Do you believe that anti-semitism exists in the world?
Do you think anti-semitism just appeared in 1948?
Tell us, what motivated the Nazis for what they did, if not for anti-semitism, and do you think the Jews deserved it?
Engaging honestly? Who’s making things up Mark?
Bringing up dead murdered babies into the discussion, and the number/methods/circumstances to win internet 'points'.
As I said, rethink your life choices.
No the dead murdered babies were made up just like the bottle you said justified Maccabi fans nearly killing someone was.
A fine question.
It seems strange to me that people will claim that Dutch police are lying at the behest of "someone" but won't elaborate on who that "someone" is or why Dutch police would be motivated to engage in this lie or mistruth.
Who is this mystery "someone" and why did this person, state, Government or worldwide movement make no effort to stop a report being published in global media that paints Israel is a pretty miserable light with regards the number of dead women and children in Gaza, but is incredibly pulling global strings over Amsterdam.
Can anyone who is disputing the Dutch authorities and police version of events clarify this? I've already asked multiple times only to be met with questions about what I believe the US believes about Israeli nuclear capability or whether I believe random things the Isareli president says.
Aren't Hamas Arab, or Palestinian Arab?
I never justified that attack, just clarified the context of it.
Nope, I dont have a video, but it was widely reported in the Greek press.
https://en.protothema.gr/2024/03/07/the-moment-maccabi-fans-attack-an-egyptian-who-threw-a-bottle-at-them-in-syntagma-square-photos/
So, now that there are credible reports to have I have alluded to in regards that incident in Athens, can we move back to what happened in Amsterdam?
Why will you not believe the Dutch authorities?
You're presenting opinions as beliefs as facts and evidence. That's all I'm debating - not that your are right or wrong. The only measure of right or wrong will be meted out by the courts.
And I've certainly not downplayed anything about the events in Amsterdam - I've condemned both sides. You're confusing me with someone else.
It's very easy to pull whatever you like out of history and use it to justify something today.
For example, one could just as easily pull out the fact that a number of zionist terrorist organisations were on the side of the Germans in WWII. Even after news started coming out about the camps, they still kept up their support, albeit they got quieter about it towards the end of the war.
See above.
Not made up at all.
Another source..
Can you now answer my many questions I have put to you?
Already delt with twice, but here is another source that alluded to the bottle-throwing incident…
https://www.tovima.com/society/incident-at-syntagma-square-amid-gathering-of-visiting-maccabi-fans/
I have linked numerous articles as per the bottle-throwing incident.
Also, babies were murdered on Oct7th. Do you deny that too?
Nobody is disputing that Israeli football fans (not "Jewish people") were attacked after the game in the centre of Amsterdam and that several were injured. But there are numerous eyewitness accounts and social media videos showing they were acting provocatively and aggressively towards the locals in the 24 hours before the match and drawing attention to themselves (in a bad way) - making violence after the game probably almost inevitable.
No, what you are doing is holding the Dutch authorities to a higher standard than others, because of what they have said in regards the anti-semitic attacks a few nights ago.
Do you not think they have first-hand accounts, details and data as to what happened, with a wide investigation underway? The Dutch PM left the EU conference early and is staying put next week to get a handle on how such a thing could happen.
Meanwhile, you have other posters here and in the past spread outright vile anti-semitic guff, and you give them a pass… Why is that?
You are holding incidents that happen to Jews to a higher standard. Look in the mirror and ask yourself, why?
You made the bottle throwing to justify Israeli thugs beating up someone because they had a Palestinian flag.
In the literal words of the very post you've posted "I do not want to see anyone beaten up and I will not make excuses for it" and "I did not condone the beating up".
Could you maybe move away from the grandiose whataboutery and maybe answer the pertinent question put to you about the motive of Dutch authorities misrepresenting the facts at the behest of someone, and who that someone might be and why they have such sway in that matter but not in others which paint Israel in a poor light.
