It seems like a Jewish right wing are determined to start a Middle East war and WWIII . Israel is the equivalent of a Fascist state and it’s time to call them out as such .
This looks to be a pre planned, organized attack. It has nothing to do with behaviour of a few fans.
This is what the Dutch police are saying, but you know, facts and reality… who needs them, especially when it comes to the Jews.
Sure they deserved it… that is what the Nazi's said in 1933 onwards isn't it?
Ori Goldberg (an Israeli academic who lives in Israel) has a good take on what actually happened last night:
Context.
And no, I don't condone the reaction either.
You are simply condoning anti-semitic violence directed and Israelis and fans.
Just because a few of the fans of Maccabi Tel Aviv sang some deplorable songs, does not give permission to people to go out in mobs and start attacking Jews and Israelis at will.
The police have arrested over 60 people, I don't think any of them are from Maccabi Tel Aviv, from reports.
Here we have the Maccabi fans in Athens back in March.
Great bunch of lads who wouldn't harm a fly
https://x.com/wyoumans/status/1854751081021981047?t=qfq1o6r3XEB_w6YCL5PgsA&s=19
So, even though I show you evidence you dismiss it.
You are not being honest here.
It's the same thought process of flat-eathers and anti-vaxers. You can be blue in the face debating them with evidence and reason, but they will just not believe you, because of their own 'feelings' on the matter.
Dutch Authorities: "These were anti-Semitic attacks
You: "Nah… don't believe that, sure they deserved a few slaps"
There's tons of videos of anti Israel protestors ripping down flags, smashing things up and worse. So you must think it's fine for people who attend these protests to be hunted down, beaten, thrown into rivers, rammed with cars etc then, regardless of their actions? Anyone who looks like they might be one of them has to prove they aren't or face a beating and that's fine? Good for you.
Whataboutery..
So I did not say it was OK, did I?
I condemned those actions in another post if you cared to save your outrage and actually look at my posts.
Also, there is no report of the Taxi being burned. By all means correct me on that, with a credible link.
So, now that you have seen me condemn the actions of a minority of Maccabi Tel Aviv fans, are you going to condemn the violence directed against Jews and Israelis in an Anti-Semitic nature, as stated by the Dutch police and the Dutch authorities, or are you going to be silent when it comes to violence against Jews.
Can I? Just because the authorities fear that Jewish symbols may provoke unrest, does not prove, or disprove anything.
The fact that the Jewish community in Amsterdam were not attacked until now would strongly suggest one of two things.
A: People were attacked because they were Israeli, (which is racist!)
or
B: People were attacked because some people took issue with the behaviour of quite a few of the fans, if the video footage is anywhere near accurate.
Actually, I'll go a step further. Any scum who were happy to sing about the slaughter of children are guilty of racial discrimination, and should be subject to any applicable legal charges accordingly- not allowed to hide behind allegations of antisemitism, for which the available evidence is decidedly underwhelming to date...
Justice should be impartial. If its wrong to hate/attack someone because they're Israeli, then it's equally wrong to hate someone because they're Palestinian.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
No-one is saying it's OK to chant anything like what was chanted, burn anything, or attack a taxi.
But a few scumbags attacking a taxi is not quite the same league as mobs roaming the streets specifically looking for any Israeli supporters.
None of the above are ok, it's not a competition.
But the logic on this thread is every Israeli deserved what happened to them purely based on association.
That to me is completely wrong.
The Hamas sympathisers….
Where they all attacked?
They were marched to the stadium before the game by the cops, which is normal at most European away games
Videos show large majority of them singing about dead children and death to all Arabs
Videos clearly show large majority disrupting the minute silence
Yes they deserved a kicking. Could be worse they could have carpet bombed the away end
According to the Dutch Authorities, that is exactly what happened.
Israelis and Jews were deliberately targeted by mobs.
So they ALL deserved to be attacked and assaulted because a minority of them sang some **** songs?
That is your logic, is it?
Where did I say it was 'OK'
Please quote the exact part.
you seem very confused. anti isreali genocide does not equal antisemitism
BTW I do hope they do keep traveling around Europe, and continue to get a kicking everywhere they go, so benzion mileikowsky can keep sending planes to rescue them. It's amazing to them when people can fight back, not like the Palestinian women and children getting murdered by American made drones.
What happened was a retaliation to what went on during the day. No Maccabi fans were attacked until they destroyed private property, sang about dead children and death to all Arabs, and ruined a minute silence.
Would you not call what happened last night, Anti-Semitic?
If not, what constituted anti-semitism in your eyes?
And finally if not, why did the Dutch Police, PM, King and the Amsterdam Mayor condemn these attacks as Anti-Semitic?
Yes, those are not living in reality and who cannot even bring themselves to condemn an overt Anti-Semitic action.
Last night was not just a bit of hooliganism from 2 rival fans.
It was a deliberate targeting of violence because of one's race and ethnicity. But in your eyes they all deserved it.
https://x.com/EsheruKwaku/status/1854882780275961908?t=Pg5785KLkkgtbjlpvStnvA&s=19
Looks like a large majority were involved in the disgraceful antics during the minutes silence and going by the videos before the game of them on their way to the stadium singing about Death to all Arabs and songs about dead children, it was the large majority of them again
Yes they 100% deserved the kicking they got. Won't be doing it again in host city's I'd imagine (I'd say they will be banned from away games anyway to stop it happening again)
You lot?
Anti-semitisim does exist but lost in the confetti way the term is thrown about as can be seen on the news today. Some are even calling a few football fans getting a smack because they behaved badly a 'pogrom' ffs
The Dutch King is now 'A Zionist!"
You lot are going well beyond rational thinking.
You didn't answer the question.
If you were at a soccer game, and some people from your side were chanting horrible things, but you yourself had nothing to do with said chants, nor did many other fans.
You walk out of the game afterwards and you're violently attacked; later on away from the stadium you're attacked again.
Just for clarity, you're saying this is perfectly fine?
Because it seems people are bending over backwards to make out that somehow, the specific people who set out to cause trouble are the exact specific people who were attacked.
But that's not realistic nor what happened, hence why Dutch authorities have condemned it.
Do you disagree with the Dutch police and the Amsterdam Mayor too when they condemned these Anti-Semitic attacks?
Do you even acknowledge that anti-semitism exists in the world?
Yet the Dutch Authorities disagree with you.
Nah tbh its just an example of selective hypocrisy.
I mean even to use some Israeli's defenders logic of what Hamas did last year….. don't start it if you can't finish it…. :rolleyes emoji:
But anyway to answer your question, it's unlikely we'd agree. Not because I believe people should be beaten up because they are Israeli or Jewish, but because unlike the position you have to take to defend Israel, violence is OK so long as its on one side only. Mad isn't it, to be just anti-violence in general. And here while you condemn the violence perpetrated against a few football hooligans, Israel are proceeding with their ethnic cleansing of Northern Gaza:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/06/palestinians-will-not-be-allowed-to-return-to-homes-in-northern-gaza-says-idf
I mean the hoops some of ye lads have to jump through is something to behold.
Random mobs going out and hunting down people due to their religion or ethnicity…. like the Israeli's do to the Palestinians? I mean just to be consistent right?
The reason I remember that post of yours was cause on that date (or in and around it) Israel had bombed a refugee camp. You know, one of the tented ones where they told people was safe, so there was a flurry of activity on the thread but the one thing condemnable in your mind was a few football hooligans shouting antisemitic chants as Israelis. I mean nothing about the dead women and children. I see the tact is still the same today anyway, am I right?
UEFA & FIFA dealt very decisively with Russia and Russian clubs. It is not really political correctness that Israel is still allowed to participate in football competitions
