THe problem is, in this country, a driver of a V8 Range Rover could get a 'green' plate made and there would be no enforcement of them having to remove it.
Dont disagree with anything you say. However I think the problem with the M3 is that Tesla were overcharging for it because they could due to excessive demand for EVs driven by lucrative Govt incentives which were too good to miss out on. That problem won't reoccur as prices have now corrected
If you're losing money against a car that does 25mpg then what does that say?
That says it's a point stat, that's unfortunately very relevant for you, but less significant in the greater scheme of things.
Looks like election is coming. Note the registration shown is from a diesel car.
Missed opportunity to sneak the Irish flag 🇮🇪 into number plates IMHO
At which point, the person see a car that they think is an EV, and then starts to think oh look, there are way more EVs out there than the random post on FB which told me that EVs don't work and are all tinky bug boxes that look this
Sanctioning someone for displaying a flashed plate when it conveys no benefit to the driver seems like a waste of Garda resources.
I think what riles people up about this is that it's a complete empty gesture. They've cone and largely removed meaningful support from EVs, but say drivers can have a pointless sticker instead.
In any case, the state would be better off doing something about the thousands of non compliant plates out there. The black on grey ones that have gotten popular in the last few years are near impossible to read.
So often we hear the same reasons for why people won't buy an EV here, "they look weird", "can't drive anywhere on motorways", "can't be used in rural areas". A purchase incentive only helps fix one person's opinion.
An almost zero cost initiative such as a green flash on number plates exposes the fact that EVs are already all around us and are actively being used on our roads all around the country. The only cost to the taxpayer for this is the drafting process that makes the new plates legal, and what's likely a few c's of cost on the price of the number plate when the car is first registered.
EVs are still subject to reduced VRT, reduced motor tax, the purchase grant, and BIK exemptions. We'll almost certainly see an increase in EV sales next year, not because of any change in purchase incentive (or a green plate), but because emissions requirements mean that manufacturers need to sell more zero tailpipe emission vehicles to avoid purchasing emissions credits. My opinion is that 2024 was a year of lower year on year sales because all the manufacturers were well under their targets under the old emissions regime and any sensible automaker should be sweating as much profit out of combustion cars as they can before the new 2025 limits kick in.
The one in the Crescent is about 3 mins off the way motorway. Hardly way off but each to their own. Was there last Sat morning and there was only one free unit along with a chap in hybrid merc wondering why he couldn't connect.
Tbh, I don't think there's a shortage of distinctive looking EVs on the road. I doubt anyone sees an ID.3 and wonders if it's diesel or petrol
If it weren't an election year I imagine the stick will be brought out soon against ICE drivers
Personally I'm happy with the price cuts we've been seeing. I'm afraid that any incentives for EVs or taxes against ICE will just lead to a price increase again
A better focus area for the government is in infrastructure IMO
To be fair there are a lot of empty gestures (and taxes, never forget all the taxes) from the Greens
We in this country burn wood in power plants which is trucked across the country and originates from chopped down rainforests and that practice is then called “green” energy with a straight face
Compared to that (or the dieselgate fiasco) this is minor potatoes
Haven't you ever heard of green diesel.
I'd say a lot of people wouldn't realise an ID.3 was anything more than a 4 wheeled vehicle, a lot of people can't even match up car badges to the brand. As motoring enthusiasts, we all have a "special" interest.
What power plants in Ireland burn wood?
being discussed here
Edenderry. Shipped all the way from Brazil
Right... So you don't have actual evidence that power plants are burning wood apart from someone's internet ramblings. Were you at the Halloween parade in Dublin?
If you care to check it out the Edenderry plant burning wood has been well documented. Even an Taisce have had their say on the farce, as is the Killala plant plan well documented.
A simple Google search will show you all you need to know.
No real evidence…
“ The plant also sources wood materials from Santana in Brazil, which is transported by tanker to Ireland and then by truck to Edenderry, a distance of some 7,500km.
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I guess I will now get an apology?
Mod Note: Power infrastructure in the infra forum (good thread here), politics in the politics forum. Try to at least keep it relevant to the topic of EVs when posting here
People are not buying EVs because they believe they don't have the range to suit their needs 100% of the time and/or they are too expensive. A green flash on a numberplate will not change that perception.
If I were the minister and I was looking for a "stroke of the pen" measure that has zero upfront cost to implement and that would make a real difference to EV ownership would be to publish and enforce a planning framework that creates a pathway for private charging on public streets. That of course would be too much like hard work, so instead of opening up EVs to the 30% of urban households that are best suited to EV ownership, we'll put green stickers on plates instead.
That's certainly a theory that's often put out, interestingly the exact same cars sell in higher numbers in the UK where manufacturers have an incentive to meet a minimum number of sales, similar to the incentive that will kick in from 2025 under the updated EU emission regulations.
Which do you think is more likely UK consumers changed their purchasing requirements, or that manufacturers did a better job selling the cars to people where they needed to, whilst not reducing sales of vehicles in the countries where they don't? Fortunately for you, your idea is already in progress, the pilot scheme is being actioned by the Dublin City Councils and will seek to address district charging requirements. https://www.independent.ie/regionals/dublin/dublin-news/dublins-electric-vehicle-charging-points-set-to-double-with-200-on-the-way/a896711154.html
DCCs plan is not for private street charging, it's to force urban ev owners to use expensive and inconvenient hubs. It doesn't address the planning problem.
DCC can't be giving up it's parking spaces to allow private charging now can it.
DCC is anti car, regardless of propulsion, so I wouldnt expect any assistance from them.
The idea of having to take your EV to a hub for AC charging is nonsense.
DC charging, none the less still nonsense.
As your main source of charging? Yes for sure. It's not even cost effective. As I outlined I'm currently driving a 25mpg diesel as it's cheaper than using fast charging in our second EV (as the tesla is off the road, that would not need to charge en route )
Are you sure 25mpg diesel is more expensive than public charging? Haven't bothered doing the maths but this doesn't seem right.
As someone who has experience of using an EV for extended periods of time without home charging, I think it's a much easier sell to get a person to travel to a charging hub with other things to do once a week than it is to get them to spend 10 minutes walking to and from their car in the evening. Ubiquitous on-street charging is much more expensive than hubs.
Of course they're anti cars, it's literally the slowest and most ineffective way to get people through the city
Having traversed Dublin on every mode of transport except horse, I absolutely believe it would be improved by deleting the cars in many areas
It isn't if you come up with a framework to allow homeowners to charge from their own houses.
Simple legislative change would solve this. If only there were a green minister in government that could have brought forward such a practical measure.
