I think they could. There's clearly a gap in the market for a political party which supports traditional values, families, are anti-abortion and are sceptical of the wokery rubbish.
The goal of the plan should be to have a tenable solution that is likely to pass by a comfortable majority. Otherwise as I mentioned we'd do a scotland and ruin it for another generation.
Citizens conventions seemed to work well for contentious issues down south like abortion and produced referenda that passed. I wonder if we could do similar for this, on both sides of the border.
I think any CA would be open to the whole island. Pointless to do it any other way.
The Citizens Assemblies also recommended the last two referenda that failed.
Some in FF/FG have been calling for the establishment of a type of New Ireland Forum in respect of the future constitutional change. Not sure if they intend for this to work as an alternative of a Citizens Assembly or to work concurrently with a CA in some way. There is merit in both apporaches though.
Who knows maybe we will get a united Ireland but the current government don't have plans in place , maybe sein fein will if they get enough votes in the election
No they didn't. ROG and co. ignored the Citizens Assembly recommendations and ran with their own versions.
yeah not entirely
Oh and what was SF’s position?
They supported them and MlM said she’d re run them if they failed
She soon dumped that idea
Flighty
SF position was that the proposals put forward by the government weren't good enough and were a significant watering down of the proposals from the Citizens Assembly.
Yet again another example of the current government having no interest in people with a disability.
They advocated a yes vote and quickly dropped their re run proposal when they saw how unpopular it was
Not all that unusual. Political parties that don't respond to the electorate will invariably fail.
lol
Not really a comment that is acceptable in the politics forum. History is littered with parties changing course because of the electorate…there is nothing unusual in it unless you are an exceptionalist. Was MLMD jumping on a bandwagon, maybe. but that would also not be unusual.
well what did you expect me to say in reply to your non credible response ? There wasn’t a whole lot
It’s exactly what SF did
Re run idea dropped
And it isn't unusual. Pensioners revolt RIC commemoration Water Charges etc etc etc.
Loads more examples.
Good cop today
The DUP may get votes from some Protestant people in Border countries and maybe a few more further south but they would be too toxic for most people. Much like most northern Protestants would be very hesitant to vote Sinn Fein given the recent history in Northern Ireland. Many southerners would not vote for the party of Ian Paisley and their deeply sectarian past. If a united ireland ever happens there’d be room for an entirely new all Ireland party with no political baggage.
As we saw with FG and their applauding of Donaldson, people forget very easily when they want to..
People and parties are allowed to adapt to and comment on positions they find themselves disagreeing with
Like say when SF got a fit of deleting all the Russia stuff off their website,Russia now being the baddy after for so long being the goody,even after they invaded a sovereign country by taking Crimea
So you are agreeing with the point. People, who want to, will forget the DUP's past and happily vote for them.
That’s an entirely different point,so No I am not agreeing with it
What’s ironic though is a party that wants the papists to burn in hell have so much in common with them
hmm…
People, who want to, will forget adapt and forget the DUP's past and happily vote for them.
Seems to me you are saying they should be allowed to do this. I would go further and say they demonstratively have done this with all parties. All the equally horrible things done for the 26 counties freedom was instantly forgotten (by agreement, locked away until all who took part were dead) for instance and both sides were allowed to move on from it. Same has happened with the DUP's past in FG even though it blew up in their faces with the DUP reverting to type.
well if it makes you feel happy,you can adapt or change whatever I said to what you want to think
Readers on the other hand of course will see through that instantly
See through what? You defend FG wilfully forgetting the past by pointing over there at SF.
People have wilfully forgotten SF's past too in order to move on. That's a given.
FG can't forget it but can with the DUP, adequately demonstrated by their applauding of J. Donaldson.
I didn’t mention FG at all
So for one thing, I guess people might see through your obsession with them here?
Jesus H. You commented on a post about FG.
I commented on your post
Your post that purported to be about people using FG as an example
I did not mention the party you seem obsessed with
Yes, you said all parties/people should be allowed to adapt. Allowed or not, FG selectively adapted and 'forgot' and there is no reason they won't do it in the future.
You are constantly griping on about "the applauding of J Donaldson". You obviously think the leader or ex leader of the biggest unionist party on the island should never be applauded when or if he was brave enough to step south of the border. Coveney himself said at the time that the delegates clapped because they were “wanting to show some warmth towards Jeffrey Donaldson”. He added "“Fine Gael is a generous party and we want him to feel welcome.”
You are always sniping at Donaldson and other Unionists : not surprising because you are a SF supporter, and bitterness in SF towards unionists goes back to the days during the troubles when the para-military wing of SF murdered two first cousins of Donaldson. It is quote ironic that you and SF have done more damage to the prospects of a UI than any other party.
There’s so much wrong in that post,I wouldn’t know where to start
But because it’s you,I’ll go play some draughts instead
You have the opportunity to clarify what you did mean.
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