Tesla Talk

No doubt it's a nice little earner! But as other manufactures ramp up EV production it will diminish and can't be relied on long term. 43% is an awful lot of eggs in one basket.

I only spotted this today. Musk has said that there is a possibility that HW3 will not be good enough for unsupervised FSD (that's level 5 autonomous driving that doesn't need a driver or a steering wheel)

If that is the case, Tesla will upgrade HW3 cars with FSD for free

Let's hope it is not good enough so! 😊 My car originally had HW2.5 but was upgraded by the previous owner to HW3 (for free). Recently I got upgraded to the newest gen cameras (for free)

I cant be sure how much of their total available are sold, I suspect its also a demand led dynamic depending on who wants/needs to purchase. There is commercial sensitivity about who buys.

Won't need to do anything servicey until next year.

https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_eu/GUID-E95DAAD9-646E-4249-9930-B109ED7B1D91.html

The HW3 thing was a clear promise. He would be in a lot of trouble if he reneged on that. Possibly even legally. I doubt that will happen.

I don't take it all as seriously. FSD didn't cost me a cent. But there are thousands of very patient "believers" out there who paid the full whack for it - some many years back. If Musk would renege on above promise, you can bet this patience would run out very quickly and a class action suit would follow

I would undoubtedly place you in the category of Musk/Tesla/FSD "believers" despite how frequently you mention you brought Tesla to court many times.

I still stand by my earlier comments that full on level 5 FSD (where insurance is from the OEM and not a liability placed on the occupants of the car) is not possible without radar and lidar.

V3,V4,V5 whatever will not be able to offer the above, so I would still stand by the assertion that HW4 like HW3 before it will not be able to offer level 5 autonomy FSD.

If you watch the US based videos of FSD (which I do on occasion) it is doing quite well but I wouldn't trust it without a driver, let alone without a wheel. If you look at waymo self driving cars, they are levels above FSD and even they are not fully ready (still in beta mode, geo locked). More importantly, if you look at tesla fan youtubers like Kim Java in the US who also have used the waymo cars, they generally are of the same opinion that I expressed, the waymo cars are head and shoulders above Tesla. Tesla FSD is a great driver aid, but it is neither Full, nor Self, nor Driving. Ironically, it is akin to the original autopilot - the airplane one - in that it can do most boring things itself but it can never fly a plane on its own without a pilot or a wheel.

If I were a betting man, I'd bet that a non Tesla company will be first to mass market of a car that actually offers FSD. OEMs on both sides of the pond - GM in the US and Mercedes in Germany - are closer than Tesla are.

Humans have more senses than just vision. You don't drive with your other senses disengaged. Happy to be quoted for posterity of course.

I can't see them even getting to what Waymo already have.

your assertion keeps on being that video processing is an acceptable baseline for moving vehicles in the public domain. Its a laughable notion. Im repeating it because its laughable, and frankly to continued themed push for 8 years on this subject is driven solely by investors and not insurance or regulational acceptance.

Video cant pass muster and wont.

As mentioned above Waymo is further ahead on these capabilties.

I get amused each time you target me for pointing out the limitations of the hardware in what is vastly more sensory environment. Id be equally amused that you assume even if this stuff got past some elon heavy US State, that it would get beyond EU regulation. (hilarious at this point),

Au contraire! The error in your logic is that using all technology makes things safer. This is not the case. Use more sensors than one and you will get conflicting reports from them.

The comparison with the Pinto is preposterous. That was about not keeping a fatal flaw in the design secret as to just pay out for victims burnt to death was cheaper than a recall.