Reported missing on 30th August after not being seen for 2 days. He’s 8 years old. Why would you leave it 2 days before reporting it?
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2024/1016/1475727-drogheda-investigation/
Mod - Move on from the statutory rape comments please, it's not relevant
Has anybody been charged?
Mental health issues or not, we need to stop chatting about alleged suspects
It's not an excuse it's a reason. Whether people like it or not, severe mental illness can cause violence. Or it might not be mental illness, but if a psychiatric assessment determines that they're mentally ill, then it is what it is. They still have to be locked up.
I think someone earlier on said that there were 3 children including Kyran, each by a different father.
Well Kyran's father wanted him and the court awarding him, would deem him suitable
I would hope the other father(s) would want their kids safe, how many other kids and fathers are there?
Mentak health is a wishy washy excuse.
The Father was granted custody, which he wouldn't have bothered unless he wanted the child. The court also wouldn't have granted it if he wasn't suitable. She fled two days prior to the handover.
This is just not true - the harsh truth is that it is far more rare for women to commit violent crimes than for men to do so, and when women do commit them, there is generally a cause such as mental health. Women, even criminals, just don’t generally commit violence for the sake of it in the way male criminals do.
That’s also why male prisons are overcrowded - because there are so many more dangerous men than women.
Though it seems Ireland has decided to even things up a bit by allowing violent men to identify as women and put them in female prisons…
Im not optimistic anything will happen. Nobody was ever charged with anything over the Kerry Babies in spite of them having both a body and in the past couple of years establishing the identity of the parents.
What about the Family Law Courts? Father has been granted custody, but has not received custody. Surely they can Order the mother to appear and explain why? And if there's no cooperation.........well Enoch Burke has been in jail for not cooperating with the civil courts.
is there any evidence that the father(s) want the children and are suitable parents themselves?
I'm sure they could prosecute someone without a body, but it would make it much more difficult to secure a conviction without one.
Need evidence first i suppose.
I'm sure the AGS are trying to build a case against whoever they think is responsible in this case.
And I'm sure they need to find a body too? Can anyone be charged with murder if there is no body? Surely the defence could say he might have been abducted and could still be alive?
This could be a very long drawn out investigation if Gardai don’t obtain the information they need to find this boy. We’ve seen just months ago how the discovery eventually of a woman’s body who was reported as “missing” also , hidden in a house in cork (case ongoing) took an awful lot of investigation and years of patience before an arrest and charge took place - this case may well be similar in that without evidence of a death or indeed a killing that arrests and prosecutions won’t be any way in the near future
On Thursday morning, Garda Commissioner Drew Harris - a man with 34 years of policing experience in Northern Ireland, some of which were during The Troubles - said in all his years as a police officer, he has "never seen a set of circumstances" like those in this case.Commissioner Harris also added a rather chilling remark that there is a particular element to the case that is "difficult to comprehend".
On Thursday morning, Garda Commissioner Drew Harris - a man with 34 years of policing experience in Northern Ireland, some of which were during The Troubles - said in all his years as a police officer, he has "never seen a set of circumstances" like those in this case.
Commissioner Harris also added a rather chilling remark that there is a particular element to the case that is "difficult to comprehend".
Emphasis mine, but I think it's safe to say the Gardai are busy building a case.
And this, which seems to be standard procedure.
However, gardaí said the results of the operation were not being released for "operational purposes".
https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2024/1026/1477532-durnin-analysis/
Pair of horrible monsters.
Poor little child. Rip. Rest easy.
Yes. No charges brought.
Humans can strike out for no reason at all. Let patience win and I do believe they're just getting their ducks in a row.
I'm sure that's necessary to stop an angry mob attacking them (and removing any chance of getting answers in the process), but it's also a very handy way to keep an eye on them and their movements.
This is something I actually can't understand. Why have they not arrested either of them on the basis of a missing child with a view to charges. The child of that age cannot look after themselves. So either the child is hidden from the dad who has full egal rights, arrestable offence or the child is dead, also arrestable offence.
I said elements; LA Confidential was a cracking movie
Jaysus. I didn't see that post!
How do these people think?
Logic over emotion. Facts over feelings. That's how cases are won.
No, there isn't FFS. Quite apart from the moral issues, information obtained by torture is inadmissible as evidence in most jurisdictions, and information from torture is unreliable.
The public have no right to have answers in an ongoing investigation.
Once the jury record their verdict, then we'll have our answers.
Gardai and dpp keep their mouth shut until a feasible amount of evidence can be garnered before an arrest is made and possibly trial.
I prefer patience than emotion.
It's not a reality show. Let them do their job. I expect they know. Wait.
Funded by the taxpayer; there is perhaps an argument to be had for the use of elements of torture to find out whatchappened
What a waste of police services.
Hopefully the other kids have been taken somewhere safe
Its an awfully sad situation, the poor little lad. It really makes me grieve for them whenever any child is endangered in any manner. And especially if their missing and presumed murdered, the public arguably have the right to want answers and justice. Though this one is going to take some time for the authorities to figure out exactly what happened, who, how, when and where because the guilty parties have had a two year head start to try and cover their tracks. Its frustrating but that shouldn't mean that it's okay for people to result to making up lies, repeating gossip or spreading poorly thought through assumptions.
Both the mother & grandmother are under police protection in a Drogheda B&B apparently. Supposedly been spotted out & about in Drogheda.
Imagine you and I commit a crime. I'm questioned or have been arrested, I panic, admit to it and describe every detail. The Gardai release everything I say to the press and it's widely reported.
You read the reports and follow all the usual sources to see what people are saying about it. With that information you could now devise a counter story, line up an alibi and possibly get away with it.
Conversely, if I provide any false information and it is widely reported as fact by respected media outlets it could hamper the investigation. The full details are presented at a trial and anyone charged has the presumption of innocence until they are convicted.
Because AGS do not have to keep the general public updated on their investigations. It is an active investigation. There are more important things to do then give people stuff to gossip about.
Making every little operational detail public could very well compromise the investigation and they're not going to do that just to satisfy the puerile nosiness of the general public.
Also, as LER said, there's often a large element of giving people enough rope to hang themselves with, and the drip-feed of information in investigations like this is often deliberately designed to panic those involved into doing just that.
It will all come out in the wash. None of us have a right to know all the details right now, much as some people seem to think they do.
mothers have far too much power with child custody. Sickening
Yes, that's pretty much the exact point I was making. Unless you're referring to the point I was making around what they're communicating to the public. For example if they're getting no where with the mother, say that, at least. Don't just say she was found, not arrested and they think the boy died two years ago. Did the mother sit there in silence? Is she saying she left the kid with the granny 2 years ago? I just think if they released some more of their findings some members of the public, particularly those more local might have more to offer. But like I say, they must have their reasons. They certainly know a lot more about looking into these things than me!
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