It seems like a Jewish right wing are determined to start a Middle East war and WWIII . Israel is the equivalent of a Fascist state and it’s time to call them out as such .
Removal of a benefit you are not entitled to by right (human right or otherwise) is not equivalent to having your life destroyed and perhaps extinguished. Unless you want to go full "Brexiteer mode" a la "The vindictive EU is punishing us because they won't let us just move to, and live, there indefinitely now".
Visas are usually made available as a result of bilateral or multilateral agreement at the State level. And they can be for defined periods of time (and then renewed periodically). There are also visa-free agreements which can (and should) be removed. Particularly when there is aggression (even diplomatic) aggression. To give you a previous example, Russia and Belarus were excluded from such a scheme in 2022
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/d4b0e-russia-and-belarus-removed-from-short-stay-visa-waiver-scheme/
Your concern with family reunification is either a misunderstanding, or else a strawman, as my original post said that it should be removed from them on the basis of traveling on an Israeli passport but that they could come in under other categories. Telling someone that they are not entitled entry under their Israeli passport, but they are under their US passport, should make it clear that it is not against the individual.
You have weird friend dynamics. Who asks someone "hey, do I have permission to quote what you said on an online anonymous message board in another country?"
All you are doing is confirming the nasty victimhood complex apparently held by many over there - "Hey. just a quick thought. How about you don't blow up a tent packed full of starving women and kids for sh1ts and giggles today" - "Oh my god. You obviously want me and my family dead. "
The only people who can overthrow the fascist government in Israel, are the Israeli people. And as long as they continue to support the actions of the IDF in Gaza and Lebanon, then they should lose the privilege of international travel for business, recreation or personal reasons.
If they want to leave israel and claim political asylum outside the country because they are being persecuted for opposing the genocides, then they would be welcome to apply for international protection. If the're not being persecuted for protesting against the genocides, its either because they don't care, or they actually support them.
Travel visas are a privilege, not a right. If you're coming from a failed state, it is much much more difficult to get a travel Visa to EU countries
There is shockingly little protest in Israel against what is being done in their name.
No. He just repeats that he knows and that he has seen the same actor in other "pallywood" productions.
I think that there is probably an element of them projecting their own behaviours onto others. It seems that their first strategy and priority - whenever there is an already terrible event - is to get people on the ground to tell stories to frame it even worse. So they probably assume that that is how any other society or group operates by default. They don't realise that that seems to be unique to themselves.
"Tourists will return to Israel"
I doubt that very much. And I can also tell you that security at the airports will be even more difficult than it used to be. And it used to be really difficult…
How do you know that tourists won't return to Israel?
I listened to Thomas Hand's interview on Newstalk this morning.
I feel for the man, genuinely I do. But it's clear that he doesn't understand that he (An Irish Man) moving there (along with hundreds of thousands of others, from all parts of the world) from London 30 years is the reason there is so much violence in that part of the world.
He talked about how he did charity work and organized collections in the kibbutz for the people in Gaza, yet seems to have absolutely 0 understanding about how that part of the world go to where it is now.
He said that Gaza should have been a paradise (he used the word paradise a lot) because of the billions being pumped into it. Yet he doesn't realise it's an open air prison
He and other Israeli's absolutely hate the Palestinians now even more than before, they just want them gone, and it seems the IDF is prepared to do this.
The biggest problem Israel has is that most of Hamas is fighting for free, Israel has to pay their soldiers.
There is a fundemental difference in applying diplomatic pressure on the citizens of a nation to attempt to achieve a change in direction and starving, bombing and mass killing.
No they will return, Israel has some of the most sacred sites for Christianity, Judaism and Islam in the world so there's always going to be groups heading to places such as Jerusalem.
Complete eradication of hamas in their entirety
Of course not, he continued to gaslight the media and the public. Bunch of lying scumbags
How could Israel lose with US arms and intelligence? They were always going to win but the fact that they will never have peace until there is a ''real'' peace negotiated and the Israelis stop land grabbing and treating the Palestinians as human and not '' human animals ''.
I don't - I said I'd doubt they would.
If you believe tourists will be flocking to Israel the day after there's a ceasefire, why?
I certainly won't be going back to Israel for a long time, if ever.
Never going to happen until Israel agrees to treat the Palestinians as equals. All they are doing is creating even more enemies and ensuring that Hamas or whatever replaces them has even more members.
It isn't,
You might go but I certainly wouldn't support a genocidal nation with my holiday money. Israel has ensured that there is always a live threat there too. Too much danger in Israel.
Some of those sites are in the West Bank (e.g Bethlehem), the North (Galilee) etc - I doubt any tour operator would gladly take their punters to any of those sites.
Assuming the IDF doesn't blow the sites up of course.
I'd say there will be plenty who'd go after a short time. It's a religious pilgrimage. Some won't go but plenty of others would.
Who knows what the security situation will be after this unholy war is over, the likelihood of the IDF "Doing an Isis" on historic sites is low I'd say.
They've already destroyed many Palestinian buildings of historic significance and heritage sites as part of their war or cultural destruction
If they can get a flight of course.
I'd doubt "plenty" would go for reasons of safety or not to support a terrorist, genocidal, pariah state.
I guess the numbers will come out eventually anyhow and put any speculation to bed one way or another.
Given that they are happy to shoot kids throwing a few pebbles, who knows what they'd do.
I don't think I'd chance ending up being mocked on an IDF TikTok feed.
The economic downside might be more damaging than the war itself. The filling sentiments were written before Israel opened up their second front (Lebanon) and the threats between Israel and Iran increased.
"The human toll [of a wider war] could be significant. There would also be huge economic costs,” says Omer Moav, an Israeli economics professor at the University of Warwick.
“For Israel, a long war would come with high costs and greater deficits,” he said.
In addition to undermining Israel’s debt profile, Moav said that prolonged fighting would incur “other costs”, like labour shortages and infrastructure damage, as well as the possibility of international sanctions against Israel.
“Israel is currently ignoring the fact that economics may lead to greater [societal] damage than war itself,” said Moav. “The government is not behaving responsibly. Does it want to avoid the costs of war, or does continued conflict serve political interests?”
Published Al Jazeera, 23 Aug 2024
Correct - torture is illegal.
But when did "illegal" ever stop the Israelis?
“Torture practices are irredeemably unlawful and constitute international crimes, yet form part of the modus operandi of Israel’s notorious detention and torture system,” they warned. “These practices are intended to punish Palestinians for resisting occupation and seek to destroy them individually and collectively.”
Full report is here:https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/08/israels-escalating-use-torture-against-palestinians-custody-preventable
That's been going on for decades now, hasn't stopped all the Christian/Islamic/Jewish pilgrims before.
Not sure of the relevance of pilgrims to a factual statement that the zionists have already destroyed hundreds of heritage sites in Palestine. You said you didn't think they would do that. I just told you they already have.
What does that even mean?
Where do religious tourism groups go when they visit Israel?
The Hamas leadership don’t care about anyone, so many of their own people and recruits will sell them out in a heartbeat for cash that they use to get out of the country. It may not be Israeli intelligence is that good just that Hamas and Hezbollah have very little loyalty within and without.
Aren’t Israel so secular, so democratic.
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