In sysadmin world that would be referred to zero 9s uptime, or 0% uptime 🤦🏻♂️
When I last used public charging was May 2024. Not interested in all that crap any more. It makes no financial sense either and it sure as shyt isn't going to save the Earth !
Mod Note: Disussion of the environmental impact of materials used to produce EVs moved to existing thread.
Interesting approach to rolling out charging infrastructure in car parks. CircleK in Norway had something similar for early build out of CCS infrastructure.
Could we see the substation in a box from ESB Networks, coupled with chargers in a box to really speed up rollouts?
In this country? I recently saw another project similar in the US, much smaller, but easier deployment. I'm trying to remember the name.
l.e. found it https://beamforall.com/product/ev-arc-2020/
It's happening, the wonderful world of Athlone is all electric post office vans for years and since last year all TFI buses are electric around the town, couple of the DPD delivery vans are electric and of course the general populous has a fair few EVs now too, I'm pretty sure I was among the first with the Leaf back in the day so great to see
My Oh has the ev 10 weeks this week,all urban driving of approx 280km per week,charged at night at 12.5 c,fuel cost for 10 weeks approx 75e.
Previously paying approx 50e weekly for petrol and also extra purchases when visiting filling station,ev was best decision we made,also have home charger.
This is the perfect example of an EV suiting someone.
Cheaper fuel costs & helping the local environment as well.
Do you mind me asking what EV you have & was it an expensive model ?
What day rate are you paying for electricity?
Iv found EV to be very cheap and convenient for me.
Got an EV start of Jan this year. Mostly school runs, GAA trainings and matches etc. We have a 2nd car (7 seater Touran)
Total approx running costs to me so far this year for 21,000km is: €198.44
1372 kwh from Grid @ 0.0754 = €103.44
+ €95 euro from public chargers = €198.44
2368kwh from Solar.
The same usage in my Diesel Touran (mostly short cold journeys) @ Approx 11cent/km = €2310.
Before we got EV we always said we would use the ICE car for long journeys. However so far we have still chosen to use the EV for long journeys, because its more comfortable and cheaper. Its easy to plan a quick stop along the way. Maybe im lucky but iv used the public chargers a few times now with no hassle or queues at all.
Recently stopped in kinnegad on the way home. Put car on charge. Went to for wee, got a coffee and a sandwich(no queues). When I got back to the car there was nearly 15% on it. Way more than I needed to get home. I didnt even have time to eat my sandwich.
Very similar mileage to myself except I'm paying slightly less than 6c per unit, practically free driving.
Pretty much mirrors what we did in terms of using the cars.
Fully agree that EVs are far cheaper that ICEs but that much solar would have cost me €568 in foregone export income
50e for 280km works out at ~10l/100km. Is that correct?
Be about right for an older generation engine in urban use.
It's still relatively cheap, but that 2368kWh is costing you in terms of lost feed in tariff. At say 21c per kWh that would be nearly €500, you'd possibly be better, financially, to use the off-peak for extra charging and let the solar go back to the grid.
E tron 55, 2 years old,OH was driving Audi Q2 1.5l petrol before the etron,OH will only drive Audi,(took a long time to convince them to drive EV,uses it for ferrying children and short urban trips,OH absolutely loves the car.I feel its a bit big but its some car and cheap to run.My daytime rate is 25c per unit, I also get 20c per unit for solar feed in.
Id say its ballpark, it was a 1.5 petrol Q2, all urban,50% heavy traffic.50e was put in every sunday for a weeks driving.
And would be a true reflection of ICE costs in an urban scenario. We had a 520d that done 99% urban trips. Its average mpg was late 20’s. It only hit the 50’s on long motorway trips.
Routinely on roughly a monthly basis I do Sligo-Dublin return trip and nearly always stop in Kinnegad for a break and charge- up both ways. I spend on average eur 25 per month doing this and so expect about eur 300 for rapid charging for the year. Home charge at night rate roughly maybe once per week so costing something like eur 20 per month or eur 240 a year so my rapid charging is costing me more. Overall happy as its a lot less cost than running an ICE. Also have solar panels which generates a micro generation credit so Overall happy with the financials and importantly for me making my small green contribution to the planet.
Still trying to get the last 2 guys in work to go EV and proving difficult. 6 of the 8 company cars are now EVs but 2 are sticking with their older, paid off cars. Theres telematics in all company vehicles so I filtered for days over 250kms driven for both of them and it was under 10 each so worst case scenario they'd be stopping 10 times a year to public charge, and even at that only for a few mins.
They would rather pay the full BIK than get a new car and publicly charge. As their cars age I guess they'll change their minds
Other than potential BIK savings there is no reason to want an EV as a company car. If someone else is paying for your fuel, there’s little incentive. At best they might move to a PHEV but many company car PHEV drivers don’t bother to plug them in. Equally if they’re in cars that they like they’re not going to care about the increasing maintenance costs as they get older. What are they driving currently ? Is there a comparable PHEV or EV that would be attractive available to them ?
2020 Skoda Kodiaq and 2019 Nissan X Trail, so yeah there's plenty similar available. Skoda guy would be brand loyal he had 2 superbs before the Kodiaq. Nissan guy wouldn't care about brand.
The over 250km days, what’s the total? Would they even need to stop at all in modern EV?
I picked 250kms as a distance where they might have to at least think about charging. And that's in around 10 days each per year. There was 1 or 2 days they were in munster from Dublin so you around 400. But most of the work is around Dublin and surrounding areas.
This would include anything they've done on their own time, weekend trips or whatever I didn't check whether they were workdays or leisure trips.
They'd both be in around a full tank of diesel a week so about 800kms which costs over 100 euro so that would be significant cut of 800 a month from our diesel bill (which is 20k a month with all our vans) 2 full EV charges would cost about 250 a month.
Also the fact that when time comes to change the EV in the class of car they want to drive is probably going to be cheaper than the diesel
How does it work for home charging or are all EVs charged in the workplace?
Of the 6, 3 of us have home chargers and 3 don't. We rarely charge at home.
We've no formal system for claiming back charging expenses but we're all extended family so there's no issue there. More to do with overall package and being happy with it. Theres no problem getting reimbursed for expenses though and subsistence
I sometimes wonder do operators of EV chargers look much at the coverage map and think there could be an opportunity here. See below image
Its filtered on essentially fast chargers…….there is nothing between Galway city and Clifden, you would imagine they would throw one in at Maam Cross or Ougtherard. north of the circled area is poor enough also.
I guess they have most likely done studies and worked out its simply not worthwhile
Modern EVs can typically go 300km+ between charges. Even if a site there in the middle existed it would likely be a single unit that could not be relied up to be free and working and not blocked. Drivers would need to have enough range to reach another site. I would really want a hub every 200km with 4+ units, rather than a scatter of single units that may end up broken for months. In the UK one star said at any point of time 20% of public chargers were not working when tested, even if they showed ok on their own app. I know some units in the field are 10+ years old but it seems lots of sites may be broken for long lengths of time with possibly the supplier not even aware.
I suspect it’s based on commercial forecasts for usage based on traffic volumes and access to suitable grid connections.
It's not working on my phone but I suspect if you look at the ESB Networks capacity map there won't be an enormous amount of substations in that stretch
https://www.esbnetworks.ie/new-connections/generator-connections-group/availability-capacity-map
Without a nearby substation you'll need to pay for fairly considerable grid upgrades to install a decent hub
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