It seems like a Jewish right wing are determined to start a Middle East war and WWIII . Israel is the equivalent of a Fascist state and it’s time to call them out as such .
I saw some tributes to a 100 year old holocaust survivor who died recently. Sincere tributes and rightly so. It's a pity that Netanyahu and his colleagues are now besmirching the memory of those people by their widespread slaughtering of civilians in Gaza and Lebanon. Aided and abeted of course by the USA.
To what end? Martyrdom? Because I can't seen any scenario where the UN engaging militarily with Israel doesn't end very badly for the small number of UN peacekeeping forces there.
Am I actually reading that the best defence of the Israelis is that, admittedly they're killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians, but that its permitted because the Palestinians are continuing to have children? It's ok to kill tens of thousands of innocent civilians because it's below an arbitrary actuarial threshold??
I'd love to get those posters' take on the oppression by the British of the Catholic/ Republican community in Northern Ireland from the 1960s to the 1990s. Christ, maybe we should all be apologising for making such a fuss all those years?
Ah ffs. This is such waffle.
What about just "normal people with empathy"? What about that cohort?
Most people don't even know what Postmodern Left means!
You're drowning in your own spoof.
I don't expect an answer...
Surely the ROE would be that you can fire, if fired upon?? Sitting ducks otherwise
I certainly wouldn't characterise any genocide in terms of "lameness" - it's either genocide or not. As you said yourself, Israel is doing a bad job of it. In that case, would you be happy with people saying the Nazis did a good job of it?
I certainly wouldn't.
And once again, the definition of genocide does not include any reference to "population fall". If it did, sure, the warmongers would have a target number of the population to kill and simply not exceed it thus avoiding the moniker of a Genocide State. I do wonder if posts denying even the possibility of genocide by Israel are simply preparing the ground for an ICJ judgement against Israel?
The definition states "to destroy, in whole, or part." If the population continues to explode, then that makes the case for even destruction in part to seem very weak, does it not?
You'd to have to surmise it's just their anonymous personas that take over them on Boards. Zero justification or honour in what Israel are doing.
Do you prefer the term "mass murder"? Or what would you recommend?
I don't expect an answer…
Being against the slaughter and destruction that Israel are engaging in at the moment is not a matter of "right" or "left". It's a matter of right and wrong.
Maybe you consider it a 'lame' genocide, however it's still a genocide. Maybe you dismiss the genocide Russia is commiting by forcibly removing Ukranian children and giving them to Russian families. The later doesn't involve a single death.
A population increase is not evidence that a genocide is not occuring, nor is assigning a timescale to it, nor is ranking it or comparing it to other genocides. It doesn't even factor into the law. Maybe educate yourself before making a fool of yourself.
Now if you want to debate that Israel doesn't intend to commit genocide in Gaza, in all for that, but don't fall on the first hurdle of knowing what a genocide is.
Genocide or not - The isreali leaders are showing themselves to be murderers, right up there with the russian leaders. They are indiscriminately and deliberately targeting civilians in their thousands, destroying civilan infrastructure, killing and maiming children, attacking UN bases, and generally being reprehensible scum in their campaigns to expand their territory. You would be thinking there is a lot of oil buried under that land or some other valuable minerals given the US backing of the murder and killing.
I don't see how any normal person with an ounce of empathy could justify their actions in any way. I do not condone or excuse the actions of hamas and hezbollah and i also find their actions to be disgusting and out of step with what normal people in a normal modern society should tolerate.
They are all guilty of many crimes, but Isreal is by far the worst of the three in terms of the current situation.
It may or may not be genocide, but the action by the IDF is disgusting. Defending them is as bad.
You cannot put Genocide and some kind of continuum from weak to strong. It's either genocide or it isn't. You either commit murder or don't. You either exceed the speed limit or you don't. That's the way the law works.
And if I follow your logic, do you think it would be valid to say "sure what's 1200 Israeli deaths on Oct 7 compare to 6 million?"
Why are UNIFIL even there? Hezbollah spent the last 11 months firing rockets into Israel with total impunity. If their job was to be peacekeepers, they utterly failed.
That isn't true, but lets pretend it is.
That gives the Israeli Regime the right to try and murder UN peacekeepers?
2nd question is there anything you won't defend them doing?
Well Im sure the population of Gaza has fallen by at least 42,000!!!
No. Because it includes culture, ethnic and language considerations too. For example what's happening to the Uyghurs is considered to be a genocide. This is because the population is being reeducated, cultural building are being destroyed, language is being destroyed etc. It's not just about killing people. It's about destroying a culture.
How exactly is that different from your racist antisemitism? Objectively, as a European who are you more likely to be killed by in a terror attack in Europe by a Jew or a Muslim? Where would you be safer? Who’s more likely to cut your head off while taping it?
So partly destroying a population is not genocide in your opinion?
So by that very statement you could argue that the WW2 killing of Jews wasnt genocide either as they werent destroyed entirely - The Jewish population of the world has almost recovered to pre-WW2 numbers.
If your argument is that the entire population has to be wiped out to constitute genocide then does that not hold true for WW2 as well?
You could also argue that the Jewish population of the world has "exploded" since 1945 recovering to pre-war levels.
The definition of genocide doesnt give a recovery time for population numbers-for example in 10 years time the Pre - October 2023 population of Gaza could be back to where it was.
Does that mean it wasnt genocide?
Just because the population has recovered doesnt mean it wasnt a genocide.
Added to that, ,un peacekeepers are classified as civilians
Postmodern Left, are they playing at Electric Picnic next year?
The Bosnian genocide of 1992/93 (Srebrenica) involved the killing of 'only' 8000 men and boys, but is widely accepted to have been an act of genocide. The actual numbers or percentage of the population killed are not the criteria that define the term.
Surely when it comes to genocide intent is a major factor, because numbers alone can't establish anything.
Six million Jews killed in the holocaust was irrefutable genocide, in that it was the expected outcome from a targeted extermination of Jews across Europe which was only ended by military defeat.
Whereas the countless more millions who died in say, the Mao famine in China isn't genocide, because the deaths were a byproduct of the original intention, not the original intention.
I'm not saying Israel isn't committing genocide, but the bar for genocide isn't as simple as excessive civilian deaths or population charts.
Israel being too accepting of high civilian casualties while trying to destroy Hamas isn't the same as Israel specifically targeting civilians with the sole intent of killing them. And just to pre-empt anyone, no that's not saying that civilians death are fine or acceptable.
Ultimately the ICJ will rule on whether what's happening constitutes war crimes, or genocide, or neither.
It's a fair point that genocide can be a difficult term to pin down and to state with confidence whether it has actually occurred or not. Many international analysts and legal people agree though that the terrorist state known as Israel has committed multiple war crimes in the last 12 months, war crimes that have resulted in the death of tens of thousands of innocent civilians (in most cases, civilian areas were deliberately targeted and bombed by the regime).
The genocide tag is thrown around too lightly. As you said, the ICJ will rule on that and Israel will be cleared pretty quickly. Deep down Hamas supporters know that Israel isn't targeting civilians. Hamas has been using human shields in conflicts with Israel since 2007. They've been very open about that the fact that it is the Palestinian people’s religious and national duty to serve as human shields, in order to serve the resistance and support its cause.
PLO backed Saddam. The idea was that Saddam would, in return, help the PLO. 400,000 unfortunate Palsetinians kicked out of Kuwait in the aftermath of the war as a result of that stupid short-sighted decision.
Sounds like the tanks are knocking down walls of the peacekeepers base also now.
The case will go nowhere as Hamas are storing military equipment and munitions in civilian locations.
Strange how some posters don't seem to want to address this at all today. I'd say if an Irish peacekeeper was injured or killed by the idf they would deflect away talking about definitions of genocide, the Holocaust or their favourite topic antisemitism.
But what if the wall they knocked was actually an anti semite wall?
I bet Steven Spielberg is penning the tear jerker right now.
Every israeli accusation is an admission.
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