It seems like a Jewish right wing are determined to start a Middle East war and WWIII . Israel is the equivalent of a Fascist state and it’s time to call them out as such .
Do the people running Israel for the last 26 years claim to be Jews?
Plus why should people in Palestine and Lebanon suffer for what happened Jews in Europe?
If the allies knew the trouble the Jews would cause?
I think it's more that they are leading the herd - from behind.
Do Spartans have the right to exist ?
How about Phoenicians ?
What about those Visigoths ?
The redicuousess of the claims to ethnic rights of Jews to exist in the Levant are directly comparable.
If not in the Middle East, then Europe or in the USA
Do you think Palestine has the right to exist? Do you think Lebanon has the right to exist?
No Isreal has no right to exist in the Levant. If you disagree then where did that right come from ?
I amended my last post to reflect the reality of where they could exist in peace . More Jews live in America than live in Israel.
So to be clear, are you saying that Israel has no right to exist where it is?
And if not there, then where?
Today's problems stem directly from the Versailles Treaty and the resultant rise of Nazi Germany. I don't think it's fair to proscribe blame to the Middle East. The region was the main recipient of the bad consequences of the end of WW2 which was a result of mistaken decisions made decades earlier to punish Germany harshly after WW1.
The aftermath regarding those Jews that survived in Europe was that, to our detriment as we know now, they were given a blank cheque to establish a "homeland".
If the Allies had known then about all the trouble and violence and upheaval in the region that the establishment of the state of Israel would lead to it would never have happened.
We are are were we are. God fearing fanatics on all sides fighting each other in a never ending war.
Perhaps we are just against the mass murder of women and children. There also seems to be public support shown for Palestine which the government is responding to compared to the not existant public support shown for israels actions this past year. We also have peace keepers in Lebanon which would of some interest to our government and the general public.
Our government strategically mouth off on Palestine to deflect their destruction of our basic services and reliance on a fragile multi national tax income
Do not use this as an excuse for zionist colonialism. There were places which a Jewish homeland could have been setup which would not have caused the inevitable conflict that placing it in Palestine has caused. The earliest zionists well understood the outcomes of setting up a homeland in the middle east. They knew what would happen.
Who had to make reperations for their actions in the second world war ? Germany country with a strong Jewish heritage and a large territory who couldeasily have seeded land for a Jewish homeland. Alternatively America could easily have made room for an independent country for Jews.
It was a terrible idea to cave to militant terrorist Zionists in the Levant, and everything that has followed is a consequence of that cowardice by the British, Americans and UN.
You really can’t have it both ways.
If Israel is the“jewish” state, and if it claims to act in the name of the jews - of all jews worldwide - as so many of its supporters on this forum say, if Israel and the zionists conflate the words “israel” “zionist”and “jew” - then you cannot complain if others have ended up doing so too.
But you have now lost all control of the narrative. Israel/zionist actions over the past 12 months have cost you that. And you will pay for this in so many ways, leading eventually to the end of your vicious little apartheid state.
You have brought the world to the brink of nuclear war. Such is your hubris and so great is the evil in your version of Mordor that in fact I will actually not be surprised - horrified, certainly - if I wake up one day to discover that Israel has used its nuclear weapons, killing millions more without a qualm or a worry. Your hubris is incredible, as we see every day on this forum, with a variety of posters lauding every disgusting action by Israel and egging them on to further evil, laughing about and crowing over each successive massacre, whether of a military commander – or of civilians, children and even pregnant women.
They all had a "home" for the colony to go back to though. Israel doesn't. Even the 10% of Israelis who have a second nationality often come from somewhere that oppressed or killed Jews over the centuries.
A colonist in absolute control has no interest in a negotiated solution - what have they to gain ?
There are to many examples of where a colonist was brough down through armed resistance - it has been shown time and again to work and that is why it happens.
This is an Irish discussion forum, so why should Irish people not discuss the matter?
The whole world is discussing it, it was discussed in the UN - so why should Irish people be singled out and told it is none of our business? Seems a little patronising to say the least.
But none of that is disputed. I am only disputing the claims that Northern Ireland can serve as evidence that armed conflict, or paramilitaries in general, bring about improvements in the lives of ordinary people. They didn't in NI and they don't.
And as you say, that's really all there is to say about that.
Back on topic, here's a "journalist" who illustrates the problem of thinking that supporters of Islamists are in any way interested in degenerate western issues like journalistic objectivity:
On the plus side, the reported death (I think, not yet confirmed) of Nasrallah's replacement at the head of Hezbollah yesterday really makes me wonder about the quality of those who are left to take over at this stage.
Not correct that people in the Middle East are all fanatical adherents to religion. The majority in fact would be young and well educated and have little time for religious fanaticism and bigotry. As ever, it is those out on the extremes who make the most noise and get the most attention (we can see this in Ireland with the far right especially and the far left).
Northern Ireland is an occupied territory, the fact that it was occupied 500 years ago doesn't change that fact. After independence it operated as a Protestant feithdom with deeply prejudiced rules which made it intolerable to be a catholic. Some sort of conflict was all but inevitable given those circumstances. If it had have been set up with equity at its foundation then it is unlikley that the armed struggle would have started.
Telling one side of the story doesn't enhance your credibilty. I saw first hand the casual prejudice and discrimination that caused the conflict.
As this has been warned off this is the last comment I will make regarding NI.
Of course it doesn't. I've been pointing out factual errors in posts about Northern Ireland. I was assuming ignorance rather than something worse. If you actually lived there and still don't understand what living in an area controlled by paramilitaries means in practice, well, what can I say?
It might sound dreadful, but given the endless litany of bloodshed in that part of the world, I wish at times that the Middle East was just wiped off the face of the Earth completely.
It's a cesspit of deep hatreds, unending violence, zero respect for any human rights, deeply intolerant of difference and filled with irrational and backward religious sky fairy/death cult fanaticism.
The world would be a much better place IMO if the Middle East simply did not exist.
Barbaric and backward are its defining traits.
I spent years of my childhood living in NI.
The fact I came to different conclusions to you doesn't remotely make your opinion superior to mine.
my family heritage is northern Irish unionist
I didn't know one inherited personal experience! How much time did you spend in Northern Ireland during the troubles? Did you go to school there? Did you work there?
If not, you may as well say that Kamala Harris has a deeper understanding of the India-Pakistan conflict simply because of her heritage than people who actually live there.
Or that Trump understands German history and communism because of his origins.
The 'existential threat' hasn't existed since the late 1960s and early 1970s. Israel asserted itself as top dog in the region in no uncertain terms and showed it was nigh on impossible for any Arab country to topple the state or replace it.
Also, the idea that the West would stand by and allow Israel cease to exist as a nation and be taken over by its Arab neighbours is complete and utter nonsense - something the Israeli propagandists are cynically well aware of when they trot out the existential threat line to their western supporters.
A key question that their supporters ignore. Israel is always the "victim" and acting purely out of self defence, even when they attack their neighbours with colossal military force. This narrative means that Israel can never be seen as a colonial aggressor or guilty of war crimes, only as a benign and peaceful state "fighting for its survival".
The goal from day one. Israeli leaders have openly advocated for greater Israel for as long as the state has existed, people simply refuse to pay attention to what they say because they frame them as the good guys and allies.
Jerusalem post
In biblical contexts, the Euphrates River is often mentioned as a significant boundary in the promises made to the Jewish people regarding the Land of Israel.
If one looks at a map, they will be astounded by how far north this river extends and how vast the Land of Israel truly is. While we may not be able to reclaim all of it in our time, Hashem will surely return it to us soon.
The right for a colonized population to resist their colonizers is implicit and as applicable to the Palestinians as it was to the Irish.
And by the way, my family heritage is northern Irish unionist so my experience is a little deeper than you would suggest. I am also one of the few people here who has actual direct experience of Israel. It was that direct experience which made me a Palestinian advocate. Having seen the brutality and racism of the regime first hand made me anti-zionist.
Does anybody have the right to defend themselves when Israel attacks them?
Israel never faced an existential threat from its Arab neighbours is another of their greatest hits.
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