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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,729 ✭✭✭Economics101


    They don't seem to realise that the word "freedom" , which is very similar to "liberty" are values which the American Right affects to believe in. What is a Liberal other than one who believes in Liberty, i.e. Freedom.

    The level of political illiteracy is mind-boggling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I see Trump has gone from “anytime anywhere “to sorry it’s too late to have a second debate. It’s been reported that Kamala Harris has agreed to the terms of the second debate on CNN while Trump has refused to do so saying that it is too late in the election cycle, in that early voting has already started - despite this never being a problem for him in the past when he debated Hillary and Joe Biden both well late in the month of October (19th and 22nd respectively). One could only assume he is afraid to take the stage with Kamala again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,703 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    And also as I've seen commented on Twitter… why is Trump still holding rallies if it is "too late" for a debate?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,637 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    They have forgotten Liberia [capital Freetown], a country the US set up in Africa It's probably forgotten, too far back in their country's history, and will definitely be a chosen NO-NO under any Trump Administration "education" system.



  • Posts: 224 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Somewhat correct that education is primarily a state and local responsibility. And in stating so you kinda make the case for Trump’s goals on education, if what you state is true that the State Legislatures govern education. And if that is the case in its entirety than there would be no need for the US Department of Education, right? The Department of Education sets it’s own goals and basically uses blackmail, in the form of funding to ensure states fall in line with their dictates. They laughably lead us to believe their funds merely are a means of supporting the states. But what they actually do is use the money to force state and local education programs to fall in line with what the federal government believes is the national interest and dictates to the states by targeting where and how those funds are utilized. Our education system is failing our kids. Simply continuing to throw more money at the problem always garnishes the same results and failures. I think it’s high time to try something different.



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  • Posts: 224 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I never said I want all schools to be private. If you look back I said I think both serve a purpose. And what I want in our secondary schools is to have a robust debate of all viewpoints, but what we see is those who support conservative thought in most higher education universities (liberal indoctrination centers) are mostly ridiculed and ostracized by the professors and the institution.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Also known as ensuring universal standards in terms of Curriculum and Educational outcomes.

    Not everything is some kind of deep state conspiracy…

    Having 50 Different Curricula across the country can only lead to disaster.

    If someone has a high school diploma for example, they should be able to go anywhere in the US and a prospective employer should be confident that they know what that means as regards Educational standards and what that student was taught.

    If they have to wonder "Well, did they learn Alabama Science or did they learn Michigan Science?" etc. that is not a good thing.



  • Posts: 224 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You incorrectly assume private schools and state department of education will be overwhelmingly run by some religious fervor.



  • Posts: 224 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Please show me where Trump plans to make all schools as good as private schools. He thinks the states will do a better job of education than the federal government. He also wants every kid and parent to have the opportunity and resources to attend a private school if they so wish.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Perhaps , but all available evidence thus far indicates that a LOT of them absolutely are and with the total lack of oversight and policy guidelines being pushed as part of this agenda , there's nothing to stop them.

    The only groups pushing this agenda are right-wing conservatives who publicly and loudly complain about "Christianity not being allowed in Schools" and who want to push creationism into Science and have the Bible taught as History.

    A "deregulated" Educational system is not a good thing and I truly struggle to see how anyone who is not pushing a very specific agenda could argue otherwise.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,451 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Why does he think that states are better placed? Federal can have the best experts. Leaving it to the states means each state must hire a separate expert. Waste of resources. And what is Trump saying is the issue with the educational standards now and how does leaving it to the state level deal with this issue?

    He may want every kid to have opportunity (at the moment every child does) and resources (not every child does). So how has he set out how he would to provide these resources? And what happens to the public schools when every child opts for private?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,009 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Whats the name of that big statue in New York harbour? Statue of Maga? Statue of Conservatism? 🙄



  • Posts: 224 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    In the immediate he plans on cutting federal funding for any school pushing critical race theory, radical gender ideology, and other inappropriate racial, sexual, or political content on our children. A pretty good way to start in my opinion. Thereafter Trump’s education agenda includes widening school choice and encouraging homechooling.



  • Posts: 224 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It failed because it didn't select the proper type of 'students' into the program.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    In other news , Kamala Harris has seen a stunning improvement in her favourabilty ratings with the American Public

    Prior to her nomination she was -18% net approval (32% approve , 50% disapprove) , the latest numbers have her at +3% approval (48% approve , 45% disapprove).

    The last person to show such a dramatic improvement was Bush Jr after 9/11.

    Trump sits at -13% which hasn't really moved one way or the other in the same time period.



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Home schooling is the last bastion of extremist cranks and religious fanatics. We have a man in jail here because he was indoctrinated into extremist religious beliefs through home schooling. and the rest of the family have rendered themselves unemployable because of the extremism their parents pushed into them.

    Home schooling is a terrible blight, and private schools are not much better.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Define “conservative thought”?


    I would say most economic and business schools are hardcore capitalist bastions. Especially the Chicago school of economics. Harvard, Yale, Princeton law etc. have produced many conservative firebrands.

    Are for the “robust debate of all viewpoints”. Some viewpoints don’t actually deserve debate. Like creationism, which is being taught in private schools. It’s absolute nonsense.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    So , exclusively promoting a "Conservative" viewpoint then?

    How is that better?

    If the argument is that the current system is leaning too far left (and that's certainly up for discussion) how is hurling it to the far right any better??

    Surely that's just a different kind of bias , albeit one you seem to agree with?



  • Posts: 224 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes, we are hoping we don't have a repeat of the Magic Mail-In Ballot Machine of 2020 in Pennsylvania. 



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Well given that no such thing occurred in 2020 , the only possible "repeat" will be it not happening again.

    Just like it didn't happen the last time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,680 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Current, but lame duck. Might be very interesting to watch.



  • Posts: 224 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Odd that she wouldn't agree to the debate that Trump accepted on FNC, right? As I have been saying the ABC News 'debate,' which was the most biased debate in TV history and being little more than a 3 on 1 Trump gang up, pretty much ensured the big three (ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN) will never get to host another debate.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 5,611 Mod ✭✭✭✭Rawr


    So you're advocating for the surpression of the Mail-in vote based on the absolute fiction Donnie spun ahead of the vote in 2020, that Mail-in voting was somehow fraudulent? Based mostly on the fact that Dem voters and others who took Covid seriously (in otherwords, not MAGA folk) were those who were likely to use mail-ins.

    You are advocating that counting all of the votes of the opposing side is something that should not be "repeated"? Only count the votes that you like? Is that how you see democracy working?

    And when you don't agree, let's get some Cyber Ninjas in there to find out if there's some bamboo in the paper to prove that the Soros/China/Ghost of Hugo Chavez Alliance of Evil is somehow behind the baffeling phenomonon of people voting against Donald Trump.

    The real magic here is the ability of this half-arsed facist clown-show to miraculosly continue to hookwink so many people for so long, on such such a flimsy and transparent lie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,219 ✭✭✭Patser


    Another big drop in DJT Media share prices after opening today, now below $13/share - pretty much dropping almost €1 every day over last week



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Very true,

    A lot will depend on who is the lamer of the lame ducks as it were I guess.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Down almost 25% in the last 5 days..

    That's anyone with a brain bailing out now that the principals can sell.

    First confirmed sale by one of the "insiders" will elicit a major collapse.



  • Posts: 224 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A lot of universities have eliminated SAT scores as a determination of acceptance. First and foremost they're businesses and in doing so (dumb things down due federal meddling in education) ensures they keep their enrollment up and funds coming in. You don't think they'll also make similar adjustments if states control their own curriculums?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    They probably will , but the shift in standards won't be upwards , now will it??



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  • Posts: 224 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Joy with no substance only appeals to the low information voters.



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