Please use this thread to continue discussing the war in Ukraine.
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Global oil prices continue to fall, back to 2021 levels now
You have a point but as the UK said this week: Russia started this illegal war, Russia can stop it any time. Only one country is trying to steal land and eradicate the culture of another country here. Every single option should be on the table in the service of Ukraine self defence
With the exception of Taurus (which was explained in detail earlier on the thread) I don't believe there's any difference between the GPS on the short range rockets Ukraine currently fires into Russia and the long range they want to fire into Russia. The only difference is the range. That apparently is the escalation part.
Can the west not just supply the missiles on the qt?
Ukraine already have the missiles, they are looking for permission to use them to strike deep into Russia.
Just give Ukraine the nod and claim surprise if Ukraine use them to strike Russia.
it will have the feel that NATO is doing this not Ukraine buying stuff "off the shelf" and firing stuff themselves, seems like an escalation to me , its how it will be seen publicly
How? Ukraine already are using western artillery, tanks, IFV, short range rockets, glide bombs in Russia. Does that feel like NATO is doing that? When Ukraine shoots down Russian planes deep within Russia, does that also feel like NATO is doing that?
Russians, Putin and their propaganda machine been claiming for years now they are at war with NATO
All this noise from Russia is hilarious as it undoes and undermines all the nonsense they sprouted up to now
Say publicly it's a "red line" but then don't punish them for breaking it.
Or better yet tell them you will punish them in "3 days".
This war will not end well for Ukraine unless they can really hit Putin 's military capability. Well past the stage of rolling the dice and going full steam to knock out the military infrastructure etc to really push them back .It will drag on for years if Russia is allowed fire missiles etc from within their border with little or no danger of Ukraine being allowed to do likewise .
I am not sure it is a great argument. I don't think Russia's military were born knowing how to target & fire Shaheds let alone how to build them. Similar for North Korean ballistic missiles they have already used to attack Ukraine's cities, same will apply again when they receive and start using Iranian ballistic missiles. Where does that know how come from? Osmosis or sleep learning (unlikely) or perhaps Iranian and NK "advisors", experts etc., their allies giving a helping hand at least for a time to get them up and running (more likely).
can UKr not claim that every time that Russia bombs a civilian site , ccevilian accomodation block, electricity supply utilities, residential areas - especially outside the Donbas / Luhansk area - being bombed, produce markets where people are buying daily supplies, international cyper attacks, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc that Russia is excalatingthe conflict each time. Ukr can then threaten Russia with an equivalent strike AND ONnRUSSIAN territory. Preview. Ukr should adapt the policy of ‘ an eye for an eye or its equivalent
The allies need to supply Ukraine with enough anti artillery to protect Kiev further and then let Ukraine strike Russia all it likes with long range missiles. See if Russia can get anywhere bear damaging Kiev then.
If there's a class system of the human race in different parts of the world. Then there's clearly a class system in Russia. It seems there's the class Putin was holding in reserve at all costs or those that could afford to bribe the system to avoid the frontline are now on the frontline.
⬇️ this link Elon won't allow be embed as it's of captured Russian prisoners on the battlefield.
x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1834930699524006009
I hope this is the Iranian missiles
The Russian armoured attacks on pokrovsk are so big we've not seen anything on that scale since Avdiivka. Thankfully Ukraine have dealt with the waves so far. Potentially good news in Kursk despite the Russian counter attack.
I heard about this some months back
Looks like the Wests policy to Special Range Missiles is to allow it, but not publicly allow it. Just like North Korean and Iranian missiles.
That's great, but 2.5 years into the war and they've just begun? Hopefully that's not fully accurate.
They started a few months back. I suppose it took time to shift to nato standards.
I hope this is true, but what are you basing it on ?
Few quotes on the twitter sphere from the lads I usually post. But could easily be wrong.
True allies not worried about geopolitics..
From telegram:
"The Netherlands will not be able to provide Ukraine with the Patriot air defense system due to the refusal of one of its allies, the "NL Times" reports.
At the end of June, the Netherlands together with an unnamed country announced the delivery of Patriot to Ukraine. However, it has now become known that the ally withdrew from this agreement.
“The necessary components for the complete Patriot system have already been assembled. The Netherlands provided three launchers and a radar, and the rest was to be supplied by an ally,"
the Dutch Ministry of Defense previously stated.
Defense Minister Ruben Breckelmans said that the Netherlands has already handed Ukraine a radar and will soon send three launchers. They are currently looking for another ally to supply the remaining components.
"We continue our work in this direction. Negotiations are ongoing with several partners,"
Brekelmans said."
My money is on the US or NATO which is basically run by the US anyway. Obviously didn't want Ukraine having a PAC 3 capable patriot that could reach deep inside Russia. Scumbags.
So things should start looking break for Russia but Putin won't go without a fight. The general mobilisation would be very tough for Ukraine to deal with but provide them with enough aid and they will prevail.
Russia aims to end the war by late 2025 or early 2026 with a victory due to anticipated serious economic problems starting in mid-2025 and the need for mobilization, which could destabilize the socio-political situation, according to GUR Head Budanov.
https://interfax.com.ua/news/general/1013845.html
Russia aims to do lots of things… Kiev in 3 days. Ukraine kicked out of Russia by Oct 1st… indoor plumbing for the serfs (a guess seeing as this is what occupies the Invaders in Ukraine).
I see a female motorcyclist with a large following on another forum who is travelling the world on her bike has been in Georgia. As part of travelling in Georgia she has to by law go across the russian border and get a permit to travel in Georgia.
(To anyone with a brain reading that, their spidey senses would immediately be twitching. And you'd be correct big time.)
She was told by the Georgian authorities that it'd be a half an hour job. Just go across and get your card stamped and back across back into Georgia. She was waived through the border into Russia with no delay. When she presented herself at the office in Russia. They were surprised she was there in the first place. Then she was put into a cell and then the interrogation started if she was a spy. She had to hand her phone over and all social media accounts were gone through. She started shouting on the cell door and the interrogations started again about did she hear of the special operation in Ukraine and why she was travelling the world. She said they all had a wry smile as she was being interrogated. As they had the power to do what they pleased with her. After a full 24 hours she was let go back to Georgia. One of the interrogators said they were sorry for this but that it won't always be this way. Whatever she said that meant.
So a lesson for any gullible eejits out there.
Those border officials will be lucky not to find themselves assigned to the front, letting a valuable hostage go rather than exchange for GRU agents.
That's America.
Important step taken for Ukraine's defense industry:
https://united24media.com/latest-news/ukraine-announces-domestic-production-of-155mm-artillery-shells-2342
