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As soon as I hear anything like this I assume immediately that they did. Horrible regime. When people in the West protest outside politicians homes they should thank their lucky stars they live in the West.
Not sure if BBC is in the so-called "Ukraine is doomed" camp, but here is its assessment of the likely impact of storm shadow missiles on the war (in a nutshell, as most of us already expected: will help, but will not be a game changer):
Ah Jaysus, I listen to that podcast most days. Very sad.
Surely Russia had nothing to do with it?
32 year old David Knowles who created and ran the largest podcast on Ukraine war daily since the war started has died suddenly in Gibraltar of a cardiac arrest, police are investigating
He has probably done the most out of anyone to keep this war in the news day after day
Move to this platform "Vanilla". The original vBulletin was creaking under the weight and needed to move but this was the worst option, it seems. Also completely under scoped the project of work meaning that the site was down for weeks, along with functionality loss and continuous bugs
What move?
Too much has been said already! 🤐
Not sure it was ever a golden goose, but I agree with your sentiment… it's great value for money.
I just hope it doesn't go the way of P45.rant… 'What?' Exactly! 😅
Thought it did, may be mistaken.
Distilled Media (if you are still the owners) you destroyed the site…
On topic; has there been movement on the long range missiles being allowed, at targets in Russia?
The corrupt russian military has been syphoning off boards posts for years to pay for their yachts and dachas
it changed ownership ?
Cheers.
There's threads on the helpdesk about it and mentioned in the main bugs thread.
There's mismatch between the thread index and page count due to deleted posts. So sometimes you get 'phantom' pages until the page rolls over again.
Boards is held together with duct tape and a prayer. Be happy it's even functional.
Previous owners absolutely killed the golden goose with their balls up of a move, we're lucky to be functioning
Three more pages to Povrosk!
I asked about this on the HELP section and apparently theres a problem on some pages.
What’s up with the page not loading properly?
The ATACMS hitting targets in Russia is a game changer. It will force the Russians to move their jets and air defences hundreds of kilometres away from the border. This will allow the F-16s to have air supremacy over Ukraine. The Russians will no longer be able to use their glide bombs, but the F-16s will be able to hit Russian targets in Ukraine without the risk of being shot down.
Like Lammy and Blinken accusing Russia and Iran of escalating things.
Russia invaded Ukraine, an escalation you could say. Add in multiple other countries it's messing with.
Iran has attacked 3 countries in the last 6 months, it had its proxies in Hamas attack Israel in a savage fashion, Hezbollah are trying to start a war in the north and their Houthis are firing at even Paul O'Donovan rowing in the Red sea.
We are long past the escalating stage.
Good. Hitting targets inside Russia is the way to go, make Russia spread their defences thinner
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If given in significant numbers it might stop the tide though.
If they are still fretting about 1 being fired in to Russia. They are going to fret about hundreds upon hundreds being fired.
Like all the best tech, it's a mix of too little and too late.
No lead in the pencil.
Havent seen anyone say Ukraine is doomed, it's just losing ground at the moment and arming it's new battalions with vehicles that the last men in were talking about the breaking story of JFK being shot.
Why do people pretend that is not a problem?
I sometimes wonder do people like yourselves do it to not have an urgency with aid and weapons for Ukraine.
Course it helps. There should never have been any restrictions, end them immediately and give Ukraine so many that they will hit every power plant, military factory, dam, water works, barracks in Russia.
The west should be in it to win it. Should be.
The missiles will not dislodge Russia out of the already capture territory but they might stop them taking more.
Storm shadow mentioned higher up can reach Moscow as well, they also claiming made homegrown jet drone which I suppose is a form of dumber cheaper cruise missile
Ukraine are also developing (and I read somewhere have claimed successfully used) their own ballistic missile capable of around 400-500km range. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hrim-2
Looks like good news incoming
Twitter is also awash with rumours that the Russian fighter jet downed over the black sea was taken out by an F16. No proof so far though. Wait and see.
Will it help Ukraine? Yes, like every weapons delivery, and it's a very important sign to Russia that escalation works both ways.
Will it be the miracle solution that turns the tide and leads to Ukrainian victory and Russian defeat? No.
Also: No one is saying "Ukraine is doomed", that's just the usual tedious distortion by people who deny the reality of what's happening then go silent when asked to back up their quotes
Another borked thread
Oil prices are back to below prewar levels circa 2021 now, they were lower in 2020 but then whole global economy shutdown due to Covid
Anyways good news
Russia may be sensitive to oil.
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“Russia has been forced to spend over $8bn amassing this shadow fleet. But with sanctioned tankers loitering and unable to load oil, we are determined to make Putin’s investment an expensive misstep for the Kremlin. Our action will help to counter Russian attempts to undermine and dodge economic sanctions.”
The ships targeted are all described as “high-volume offenders” – vessels operating around the clock to transport as much Russian oil as possible. These ships will now be barred from entering UK ports and will be refused access to the UK ship register.
Just three of the vessels targeted, Nikolay Zuyev, NS Asia and Zaliv Aniva, have collectively carried more than $5bn worth of Russian oil since Russia’s full scale invasion of Ukraine began in February 2022.
The large and recently developed shadow fleet has become the biggest loophole in western efforts to prevent Russia continuing to fund its war through oil exports.
In an effort to stop the revenue, but also prevent the price of oil skyrocketing, the G7 agreed to block insurance to any ship that sold oil at above a cap of $60 a barrel. The shadow fleet has grown to circumvent the G7 policy, but analysts have said a relatively small number of ships are at the heart of the operation.'
From ISW recently
The redeployment of Russian air assets from Russian air bases in range of ATACMS does not remove the utility of using ATACMS against other Russian military targets, however.
ISW assesses that there are at least 250 military and paramilitary objects in Russia within range of ATACMS missiles that the United States has provided Ukraine. The United States currently prohibits Ukrainian forces from using ATACMS missiles to strike military targets in Russia, however, and only allows strikes using US-provided HIMARS equipped with GMLRS — at maximum permitting Ukraine to strike only 20 out of the 250 objects it could strike with ATACMS. Only 17 of these 250 objects are airfields, and it is unlikely that the Russian military has redeployed assets away from all the other 233 objects to the same degree as it has reportedly done with aviation assets.
US officials’ comments centered on Russia’s redeployment of air assets have so far largely ignored the majority of targets in range of ATACMS that Ukrainian forces could strike if US prohibitions were lifted. Many of the 233 military and paramilitary objects in range of ATACMS are large military bases, communications stations, logistics centers, repair facilities, fuel depots, ammunition warehouses, and permanent headquarters that would be extremely difficult or impossible to quickly redeploy assets from or rapidly harden. ISW has not collected open-source evidence of redeployments of military assets from the majority of Russia’s rear areas. The mass redeployment of assets away from such facilities would present significant challenges to Russian logistics throughout the theater, and open sources and US officials have not indicated that Russian forces have engaged in such logistical upheavals. Such disruptions to Russian logistics throughout the deep rear would have also constrained ongoing Russian offensive operations throughout the frontline, and ISW has not observed evidence of such widespread logistical constraints. The 233 Russian military and paramilitary objects within ranges of ATACMS missiles that are not airfields support Russian command and control (C2), intelligence, reconnaissance, logistical, and repair support for Russian forces fighting in Ukraine and in Kursk Oblast, and the assessment that there is no utility in granting Ukraine the ability to use ATACMS in Russia on the basis of limited redeployments of air assets from some airfields ignores these facilities. Any assessment that argues that there is no point in allowing Ukraine to strike targets in Russia on the exclusive basis of air asset redeployments is incomplete without also accounting for the hundreds of other facilities supporting Russia’s war against Ukraine and would thus be incorrect.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-august-24-2024
If ISW can find a shopping list of targets I’m sure Ukrainians and their intelligence know of more juicy things to go boom that can help the war
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