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If they can render half of Europe uninhabitable then they can render half of western Russia uninhabitable too. Not to mention Ukraine could retaliate by targeting russian NPP's. Putin doesn't want any of this but he sure as hell will make his enemies think he will. Because our fear buys him time.
Time and time again his red lines get crossed. Nothing changes.
The Israeli used patriot systems have been upgraded to better target missiles , probably not as PAC 3 , but better than nothing ,
These are currently in storage -
Interestingly they're on loan to Israel ,from the US ,
And Israel have 8 batteries , and large stock of missiles ,
And Israel is leaning heavily on the US for support at the moment ..
Does the US preclude Israel from strike on Iran or hesbolah with US tech - because of threat management,
On the matter of long range missiles to target Russian military assets. Could Ukrainian engineers replicate the technology, with a bit of help on the side, and build their own missiles to deploy? Is this a realistic way for the French/ British/ Germans, US etc to get around this obvious problem? Intellectual property and technology rights should hardly be a blocker in this situation.
I agree what I’m trying to say is that Ukrainians have been trying to appeal to European sense of solidarity and defending democracy
Which is not enough
They should instead say
“Either give us the Russian 300bn and let us buy planes, missiles to defend our country and Europe
Or come on in with your men and equipment and establish a no fly/missile zone around majority of the country
Or continue sitting back and praying Putin doesn’t render half of Europe unliveable for next 50,000 years”
It’s time for Europe to step up, the Americans will only go so far and have their own homegrown fascist problems
Can we send bike sheds?
Europe does not even have the courage to send troops to guard the Belarus border (thereby freeing up UA troops). A nuclear attack by Russia will not end the world, but it will end Russia (plutonium goes to Moscow for starters). So go in and do something.
No way?! What you gonna do about it Biden?
What do you suggest, start WW3? Nuke'm? Fisticuffs?
Slap secondary sanctions on any bank who deals with Russia disconnecting them
Let Ukrainians strike deep into Russia
Pressure Europe to get off the pot
K and then?
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/12/treasury-department-russia-sanctions-00162922
Tying the deep striking of Russia and pressing Europe to get off the pot feel like overreactions to the meddling in US elections doesn't it?
The Putin learns a lesson not to interfere
Right now he is learning a lesson that he can get away with whatever he wants
Like sticking the snout of a puppy in 💩 so he learns not to crap on the floor
And then Ukraine might have a fair shot of actually winning the war. It's not an exaggeration to say that much of the misery being inflicted on the Ukrainian civilians and frontlines alike can be attributed to the stupid, amoral non-escalation policy rife in the west. Spearheaded by the Biden administration and Jake Sullivan particularly.
It gives the West an excuse to untie Ukraines arms. Much like happened with Storm Shadow. The British defense minister at the time, Ben Wallace, stated that he had warned the Kremlin that if their new campaign of targeting Ukrainian civilian power infrastructure continued then the UK would furnish UAF with Storm Shadow. Now they probably knew full well that Russia would ignore them. But it gave them clean public image to bump up UAFs capability.
There's no reason that couldn't happen again. And there's no downside to offering the warning. Hey interfere in our elections and JASSMs are gonna start raining down on internationally recognized Russian soil proper.
It's also not an exaggeration to say that Trump getting into the White House is pretty much the one avenue Russia has to a win in Ukraine. Which really could be a world destabilising event.
Plus things are about to get a lot worst with huge deliveries of Iranian missiles.
Russia can keep up this bombing of civilian infrastructure for as long as it wishes because who’s gonna stop them??
Devastating news
Forbes says Russia won’t be able to capture Polrovsk
Or else wait until one of Putin's missiles gets a brainstorm, travels way off course and hits an EU city causing major damage. Only then will you see the appropriate response, and the massive retaliation that's needed to prevent Putin from launching his terror attacks on cities.
Now the drones shoot back! Imagine the fear trying to dodge a drone dropping grenades and then it's buddy comes along with a gun attached. Warfare is being changed forever.
It's mad that in one way this war looks more like 1918 than anything that has come since but also looks like a new epoch in warfare.
Anyone catch Jeffrey Sachs on virgin media spout every piece of Russian propaganda for 30 mins???
Unbelievable and was allowed spell out every sound bite we hear from the Kremlin.
Went basically unchallenged.
They'll still do nothing even if that happens. They've shown they have no interest in getting directly involved with Russia and that won't change.
All we'll see is the gradual increase in arms when things look bleak for Ukraine or the reduction when things look promising. Ukraine is a puppet on a string being used to tie Russia up in knots and reduce their military capacity.
What would Ukraine be without any US aid?
Right Wing influencers in the US were outed as getting funding from Russia to spread disinformation.
https://apnews.com/article/999435273dd39edf7468c6aa34fad5dd
Dave Rubin and Tim Pool were big guests on the Joe Rogan podcast.
Here is Tim talking about Ukraine:
https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/1f9504t/flashback_tim_pool_pounds_the_table_and_yells/
Biggest drop in 2 years is a long, long way away from "total collapse in four days" nonsense
Today Forbes says it probably will
Positive news, though as usual happening much too slowly:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-close-agreeing-long-range-missiles-ukraine-delivery-take-months-2024-09-03/
The Economist says Russian helicopters are history
yes , you are 100% correct - TO ASK THE QUESTION. And what would Russia be without any Iranian , Chinese and NK aid!!!!?????????
the answer is obvious but it leads to the more interesting question if you were to add up all the positives and negatives for the US what would the answer be? , capturing the European energy market and selling more weapons v boosting the pirate ship of nations ie driving China and Russia etc closer together
According to your link, Forbes published that on the 31st of August. 3 days before the other Forbes article was published.
Why do you say they said it today? Have they repeated it?
Can you also point out in the article where it says that Russia will probably capture Pokrovsk? I can't find it.
If you actually bother to read what the blog post you linked to on the Forbes blog opinion platform (where anyone can publish) which you try to launder as TrustworthyNews^TM and hence my sarcastic post earlier
Then that is not what it claims, the whole opinion piece hinges on no references and ends with “As far as we know” and is a rehash of his tweets in a blog format padded out by chatGPT
You don't think Russia will take Pokrovsk soon? There doesn't seem to be too much going on that will prevent it.
