So the balls-up has started since last night which makes Fairview from clontarf to Edges corner a single lane with bollards down the centre.
This will be a permanent feature and works will take 21 months.
The whole scheme needed to take a more holistic approach including reducing car lanes and eliminating turning lanes but it's done now.
Up until a few weeks ago, you could use pretty much any DCC Sheffield U shaped bike stand pretty much anywhere in the DCC area.
But they have now hobbled their service by decreasing to only a small amount of the city and only a select parking areas, which makes it largely useless.
Not at a Toucan crossing, they are specifically designed for cyclists to cycle across them (you can of course dismount if you prefer).
And at this location there is no need to anyway, their is a dedicated cycle crossing with it's own set of cyclist traffic lights next to the crossing.
It really wouldn't require much digging. The current left-most general traffic lane gets new roadmarkings to indicate it as a bus lane, the current bus lane gets adjusted to accommodate the existing number of parking spaces and bus stops (plus a loading bay near Tesco) and the existing parking spaces get paved/planted.
It's not going to happen any time soon but it wouldn't be difficult or particularly costly to do.
On a separate note more generally, there are other threads for discussing bike rental systems and the like.
It’s a shame that not one EV charging point has been added along the route.
In typical fashion they've changed the traffic light sequence and made a complete balls of it. Lucky if 3/4 cars get through from Fairview strand now. They did the same with the Griffith avenue/Drumcondra road intersection after they finished the work there.
Griffith Ave/Drumcondra Road is awful. I always go around it now if travelling by car.
Every time they touch an intersection they make it worse. Every. Single. Time.
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It is a vast improvement for pedestrians and cyclists, so much safer and faster to cross.
You wouldn't have to touch the pedestrian crossing sequence, just allow a doubling of the green light time from 10 to 20 seconds for traffic on Griffith avenue.
Have you contacted DCC about it?
I haven't, do you know the best place to contact them?
Here: https://citizenhub.dublincity.ie/en/service/Traffic_Request DCC actually have a great portal for reporting issues, graffiti, illegal parking, etc. I haven't reported traffic light issues, but I've found them responsive to the issues I have reported (like Graffiti, rubbish, etc.).
Thank you, I'll get on to them tomorrow, much appreciated.
I can't recall it being any better for me as a cyclist, than previously, to be honest. And it's a junction I use frequently.
By car, I cut down to Gracepark Road, onto Ormond Road, and then back up Drumcondra Road. Greater distance, but saves me a lot of time queuing in traffic.
I could spend 8 hours a day reporting illegal parking.
And it'll get you nowhere.
If only they could fine people dropping litter and spewing graffiti.
Folks, I was traveling into the city yesterday on the new bike path I tried to over take a cyclist but he debatably did not let me pass. I have a big DING DONG bell on my bike I got in the Netherlands that's fairly loud I use to let other cyclist know I am passing them, but the guy debatably kept swerving right every time I tried to pass him cutting me up forcing me to hold back, he was going half my speed and causing a tail back of other cyclists behind me.
I know this path is narrower that should be but if you kept left there is enough space for a another cyclist to pass on the right is what I thought, I always keep left so others can pass.
What's your thoughts on this? do other cyclists feel uncomfortable when you are being passed on the right and this was the reason this guy stopped me over taking him?
The slow ones tend to be very wobbly on their bikes unfortunately. I have had two incidents where a cyclist took offence to being overtaken, both when I overtook someone who was hugging the right side of the lane on the left. First time the guy just gave me a bollocking about it being illegal to overtake someone on the left, I kept my mouth shut about it being a requirement to keep left to allow people to overtake on the right and cycled on. Second time I decided to give someone advance notice by ringing my bell only to be met with aggression. In most cases though, it's a novice cyclist who's not in control of their bicycle and isn't able to ride a straight line.
If it doesn't look like it will be easy to get past I just wait for an opportunity to get on the road and go around them that way.
Well there is an actual cycle lane there now on the approach to the junction, which wasn't their previously. Allows you to get ahead of stopped cars and get into the cycle box in front of them more easily.
Also you can cross diagonally during the pedestrian sequence now, which is so much easier, though unofficially.
It is really pedestrians that it is the biggest benefit for.
Someone mentioned here that the cycle lanes that are popping up dotted around the place are for nervous cyclists, families etc. so the design of cycle lanes isn't about getting you from A to B in the quickest or shortest time possible, apart from the fact that many are so narrow like the new Fairview section that they would not accommodate fast passing without it feeling like it's a close pass… On other cycle lanes where I would see a family out cycling then i'd move out onto the road.. save time and hassle..
It's the same as polite driving. If the car ahead of you is slower, and there is no room to pass, you slow down to their pace, you don't drive right up behind them aggressively and start beeping your horn to get them out of the way. It is the polite way to share road space, slow down and take care of other road users.
Except most roads are two way, thus giving you the opportunity to overtake eventually if need be. One way cycle lanes which are too narrow don't have that opportunity. Imagine super narrow, one way rural roads in the likes of Donegal, but now imagine those type of roads in Dublin City center, motorists wouldn't stand for it!
Also most cars can easily and quickly get up to 30km/h or whatever the prevalent speed of traffic at the time is. There is much more variance with bikes that you just don't see with cars. Young children pottering along at 5km/h versus an ebike at 25km/h. I don't see any 8 year olds driving cars around at 5km/h.
Yes, that is problem with fully separated one way cycle lanes like this one which are built too narrow. No possibility for you to pop out on the road to overtake!
At least on the poor cycle path on Griffith Avenue you have some opportunities to pop out on the road to overtake. Not that it is ideal either for safety, cyclists needing to pop in and out for traffic isn't a particular safe or ideal thing.
Ideally all cycle paths should be wide enough to allow easy and comfortable overtaking, either wide one way cycle lanes or two way lanes if the width isn't available for that.
BTW on the comment about cycle lanes being for nervous cyclists. I wouldn't really put it that way. More that cycle lanes are for all cyclists, both nervous and experienced/fast cyclists. It is just that cycle lanes tend to attract nervous/young/female/elderly types of cyclists (sorry generalising here) who wouldn't normally dream of cycling on the road. So you have to expect and design for them too.
Ideally a cycle lane should be designed too meet the needs of both groups of cyclists in a safe manner.
I think we are still far away from this unfortunately.
Yes, and when on one way rural roads in the likes of Donegal, you slow down, you don't go right up behind the car in front and start beeping your horn. There is no excuse for bad behaviour and bad manners, whether that is cars or bicycles.
I often drive in the Wicklow Mountains, and I had slowed down to the point of nearly cutting out, to sit a distance behind cyclists until the road is clear enough. So cars face the same problems as you have outlined, whether on rural one way roads in Donegal or elsewhere. In Dublin City Centre, when I worked in Dublin 8, there were narrow roads which often delayed me, but patience and respect for other road-users is key. Cyclists that intimidate other cyclists out of their way are not showing that patience.
A motorist would respond and say that we need to design roads so that they can drive through the city centre just like buses and taxis, and that the current situation is unfair on the quays. They would be equally wrong as you are in your sexist and ageist generalisation.
We can't have design that suits everyone, we have to adapt and change behaviours. If some cyclists are inconvenienced by slowing down for novice cyclists, they are no different to experienced motorists slowing down for learner drivers, cyclists and pedestrians. Polite behaviour and respect is something for everyone.
It should be fine to ring your bell to alert a rider to your presence, and desire to pass. But people in Ireland don't like having bells rung at them.
I call out that I'm going to pass on their right, say thanks as I pass, and give a wave. Which is normally fine. There are cyclists who can't hear much due to wearing headphones, which can be trickier.
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