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I think we’ve all been scratching our heads on that one- I don’t think historians will be kind to the EU country leaders involved .
Surely they realise that Russia taking Ukraine will simply mean millions of displaced Ukrainians rushing the EU borders , countless numbers slaughtered and countless numbers of young children and babies kidnapped and sold to Russian families .
There are a lot of challenges facing Europe right now- but I don’t see this as a small issue and they won’t be able to contain it long term.
Any thoughts from people here or external references if all constraints were lifted tomorrow morning on how Ukraine uses the weapons donated- would it put Europe on a path of war or would it put pressure on Russia to call a truce?
It's just very difficult to see the attacks that would be needed to really make a difference in places like Moscow actually happening. The chances of the people rising up is next to zero with the control Putin and his cohorts have over the country .
Seems to have been a big attack
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Hah!, he died again!? I remember it was reported he died 2 years ago as well
I'd put that source in the same file as when it was widely reported years ago that kim jung un and Putin had weeks to live
seems like the only way Ukraine can win this war is by drone warfare
Yes, economic destruction of Russia is the way to go.
I cannot understand why there is nearly always someone ‘on site’ just before the bomb/drone explodes filming the whole thing. Anyone know. I thought that Putin would not allow such thing/anything being filmed /photographed without his permission. Or/ and the local guards/good Russian citizens would beat you up and smash your camera
The sound of the drones will alert the camera-happy people.
The world has changed as Putin literally wants to dismantle the post WW2 conventions that made Ireland rich while outsourcing or defence to others
It amuses me that we and Swiss think that neutrality will somehow save us is Putin goes nuclear on our neighbours in UK and Germany respectively (both are top of his list)
Or we have another attack like last week and remaining Ukrainian reactors melt down
Radiation and refugees and economic collapse won’t give two **** about our borders
A lot of them seem to have a dog ready to add barking sound effects.
I’m curious when they can ramp up drone production to such a level that they can carry out these attacks on a daily basis.
Then major damage can be done to the Russian economy, and by extension their war machine.
Belgorod
Putins mistress and children live in Switzerland (wonder why there?) so I dont think there will be any nuclear fallout blowing across its borders. The prevailing North Atlantic South Westerlies will be more effective for us than any military initiatives could be.
We are already socially imploding under the hordes of migrants Putin and his buddies are deliberately driving into Europe
I rather Ukraine is armed now and wins, while they have the chance and Putin’s war appetite is being held in check, than hope that wind holds back the chaos that could be unleashed if half of the European continent is uninhabitable for next 50,000 years all because European leaders learned no lessons from our not so distant history
Once again, last week “ordinary Russians” not only deliberately targeted a dam but Ukraines remaining nuclear plants
How is it even a “choice” or “dilemma” to arm Ukraine and keep it armed? I just don’t get it
Because the US does not want Ukraine to do enough damage to cause the Putin regime to collapse with unpredictable after affects. The US are trying to titre the weapons to Ukraine carefully to do a lot of damage to Russia, but not too much damage too fast.
There is no "path to war".
Macron could literally go stick a finger up Putin's rear end live on TV and nothing would happen. Russia can't take a province of Ukraine so would be scared shttless of a war with the EU.
NIce. Give Russia a taste of their own medicine.
I think it's definitely a good call that. Hurt Russia on the battlefield but really hurt the higher ups in Russia by targeting their oil and gas refineries. If they can't finance the war then it stops.
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maybe. But Switzerland has areas of terrain that are easy to defend, a well equipped army and compulsory military service.
Ireland has its location, an assumption Britain would come to aid and no attractive natural resources like oil.
Switrlzerland neighbours Austria Italy and Liechtenstein are not in a position to invade. So that leaves France and Germany. Belligerence from either of those would not be accepted by the German or French people. Biggest threat to Switzerland would be booming oil prices etc from wars elsewhere.
You can’t defend against radiation
See the post before yours, the same Russian missiles as hit this shopping center deliberately targeted nuclear plants last week
Don’t forget how higher ground received more fallout after Chernobyl
The Swiss and we are delusional in thinking we can hide behind neutrality
maybe. But Switzerland has areas of terrain that are easy to defend
Functionally useless territory to be fair. The cities are all pretty wildly exposed.
Anyway, I don't think anyone is expecting conventional warfare to hit Western Europe anytime soon. Switzerland isn't going to be joining any military alliance, I think the real question is how they will react going forward in situations such as in Ukraine when it comes to arms exports etc. I have a feeling their arms export industry will take a sizeable hit if they don't allow greater control to customers in these kind of situations.
Will come in good for Ukraine during the bad weather over the autumn/winter. Hopefully handed over soon.
combine that with western weapon strikes then wecould see this war resolved.
Ukraine are determined to drag Russia down with them if they lose on the battlefield.
Rightly so as well.
This will never happen unless Russia strikes first.
At what point will someone step into help Ukraine, as it looks like it could all come crashing down within a month, will everyone just let it happen, or will someone come to their aid.
