Please use this thread to continue discussing the war in Ukraine.
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I said I wouldn't care if they hit an apartment building, I didn't actually advocate it, two very different things. Of course there was anger in my post after the Kharkiv attack and my phrasing was a bit reckless. However I do think they should at least hit energy infrastructure in a tit-for-tat fashion. It's dirty tactics? Sure, but so was invading Kursk and forcing tens of thousands to flee their homes, technically speaking also criminal. Every act by Ukraine is an attempt to end the war and can be justified on those grounds, just like when the allies bombed German cities in WW2.
For those of us who don't speak french could you explain exactly what happened here and has the video been verified? Looks pretty dramatic
Edit: so apparently it's a passenger car that got hit, 5 killed?
In Pokrovsk Ukraine may be in serious trouble, as is the supply lines are being effected and that puts a lot of Ukrainian forces short of supplies in south Donbas.
It increases the risk of a front collapse for Ukraine there.
Behind it there is a lot more open, empty and flat country for Russian forces to rapidly advance In..
It's the same old story, the Ukrainian Forces are outnumbered and short of ammunition and that's all on the west.
At this stage it is hard to see how Russia will not end up with most of the Donbas and if things go well for them all of it and a lot more.
Unless Donbas is part of some master plan I cannot think of, it's going to fall to the Russians within weeks. Reports are not good at all down South.
Yes the front seems to be crumbling rapidly.
Is there a plan to all of this? The Kursk invasion etc.
ASAP Rocky shot his new music video in Ukraine
Try and sift through sources before just constantly every day posting random Twitter posts. Becomes thread SPAM after a while. IMO.
What's spam about his post? It's video footage of a Ukrainian attack on Belgorod.
As for others including myself posting twitter links. Certain twitter accounts have proven themselves to be reliable sources of info 99% of the time. Why not post them?
The irony of English and Western music being played in the car.
In the early days of the Kursk invasion there were a lot of bold predictions in the thread. Anyone who said "let's give this time and see where it all leads/what the knock-on effect is" was attacked as "contrarians", "pessimists" etc, which was bang out of order and just an attempt to stifle proper exchange. Maybe those aggressive posters, who've gone very quiet, can enlighten us now?
Maybe we should have known Putin doesn’t really care about his own people so Kursk wasn’t going to distract him from his idea of ethnically cleansing Ukraine.
As we have seen in the past if Russia try to rapidly advance they will do so by driving large slow moving convoys up the road. They will get absolutely shredded from the distance.
Let's hope so. We've seen time and again that once the surprise effect goes, it's very hard for either side to make significant advances
I didn't see much of that tbh maybe a few disagreements but there was very little attacking of opinions going on except the inane sniping between yourself and another poster
When the invasion was just beginning I did eye roll a bit to myself when you posted that you thought the majority of the UA invading force would be captured or killed as I thought to myself that is far too negative a take imo.
You make these "a few days/weeks ago posters were saying x" posts quite often. They're incredibly annoying to read as they serve no purpose only to try and rise arguments in what is generally a very informative thread. They also taint/take away from your other informative posts.
Yes I was unduly pessimistic (as were almost all supposed Western experts, who I was listening to) at the beginning of the war and several times have said I completely underestimated the fighting ability of the Ukrainian army, who have been amazing. I got it wrong, I admitted it.
That's separate to what's happening now.
However I would also rather stick to constructive posts, so here's one on what Ukraine are doing to try and rescue Pokrovsk before it's too late. Let's hope it helps:
It is the attack on Belgorod. Maybe a Russian false flag, who knows.
I would say, if you're going to attack past posts, bring evidence thereof (and make sure they are in context).
Otherwise this seems like you're constantly trying to make up for your own very wrong past predictions.
And you think Western countries didn’t know this would happen?
Do you believe leaders thought Russia wouldn’t be able to get the products at all?
Restrictions always worked that way. The important part is: it is more difficult the products and when they source it, it is at an inflated price because middle men want their cut. Or they get counterfeit products that don’t have the same quality.
I don’t get how you are surprised by that.
I posted such things a couple of weeks ago, no interest in repeating the exercise, just waiting on a mote constructive reply than "Kremlin has sent out orders, the mask slips" etc
Did you listen to the podcast? It makes it clear the EU is unhappy and looking at ways to clamp down on the sanctions dodging. The main point is they are not having sufficient effect
It's the drones watching both sides that seriously curtails both sides. Can't really do much with them watching.
I say they were hoping Russia would disengage from the donbass and move tens of thousands of troops from there to engage Ukraine in kursk. I say Ukraine would deal as much damage as they could to Russian forces there and just withdraw from kursk back into Ukraine. Then they would redeploy back to help Ukraine forces in the donbass and Russia would have to redeploy. I say it was more to get Russia to redeploy massive amount of Russians from the donbass to there. They were probably thinking putin won't allow this and will order massive forces there to stop this. But this hasn't happened.
Yes the surveillance has changed everything
They are having a massive effect. Sanctions are not gonna just cause a country to collapse after a week. Yes some people naively thought that and many many more Russian supporters are using the "see it didn't collapse" as some sort of win but sanctions are a long slog and and war economy booms will only last so long.
To look at WW1 as an example, winning a war by collapsing the home front takes time and Putin has been pretty smart so far in not upsetting the wrong cohorts at home.
Did you listen to the podcast?
This sounds like it was the probable plan, at least originally. And now? Hold bits of Kursk while losing more of the Donbass and hoping a swap deal can still be done in future?
No and I'm not going to. The podcast isn't the one and only divine source of information.
If you aren't willing to engage with the content of it then your counter argument is irrelevant, because the journalist already takes your points into account. She is also not saying the sanctions are useless, just how their effect is far less than hoped
Last time you misrepresented the posts (hence why I specifically said context).
A few examples of you attempting to call out other users, each time without evidence, since you asked (I was going to post many examples, but I have limited it to just 2 for now, think of that as a courtesy):
If you're going to call out gullible users and fantasists, provide the evidence, otherwise it will be summarily dismissed.
I don't care what she says. I never referred to her (whoever she is) and what she said.
