Please use this thread to continue discussing the war in Ukraine.
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Its kind of part of Kremlin policy - the republics and more important provinces are run by local hard men, all critical infrastructure either leads to Moscow , or to the neighbouring republic -
And you know that the republics borders have been drawn in such a way as to foster instability,
So for the system to work ,it needs the strong hand of mother Russia to keep everyone in line ,
Yeah they could lose the very far east to china ,meh ,and possibly some of South central Asia to former soviet states , but chances are they'll be busy fighting each other any way ..
Very interesting point made on lessons of this war podcast episode that we don’t realise just how close Russian military came to complete rout and losing the war early on during the Kharkiv counteroffensive
And how some of the most competent generals like Surovikov are missing and presumed dead due to their links to the now dead Wagner
Moving on to power plants
Fair enough. We'll agree to disagree and I'm sure over a pint we could have a civil discussion about the topic and at least understand each other's views. But as someone else said, this isn't the thread for it. I'm willing to draw a line under it if you are
That’s just North Korea crossbred with Trumpian Gilead dystopia level of messed up
Those Russians are a disturbed bunch.
Much bickering amongst the talking heads😂
It was a good episode. I was surprised that they didn't mention more about artillery under "lessons learned". One thing that this war has shown is how large a stockpile of artillery and barrels are needed by the west. This modern "just in time" idea of keeping a small stockpile and ramping up production when needed doesnt work very well in practice. Dominic alluded to it when he said "You cant put Toyota into war" or something like that, but didnt get into it in more detail.
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. The move into Kursk is politically embarrassing to the Kremlin, unfortunately for the Ukrainians it has not diverted from the Russians slog forwards in Donetsk. The Russians can simply fall back into their heartland and annoy the Ukrainians with skirmishes to hold them up long enough for their forces to be assembled and push them out. Belarus has moved a third of its army to the border to further stretch the Ukrainian lines in the north. How long before the Russian take Pokrovsk? Vuhledar? Both sides are degrading each others energy infrastructure, what then? Even if Russia takes it's ugly victory, Putins hand has been weakened, once the fighting stops he will be deposed. Zelensky won't fare much better either.
yeh you could hear the bitterness in ex military at the altitude to defence politicians have taken here in west, we in Ireland are masters as self denial too They did mention that initially Russia did have massive rolling artillery barrages from horizon to horizon but now use artillery at same sparse rate as Ukrainians
That would an interesting point for the “Russia has infinite resources” peddlers, as it’s clear evidence they are running low on tubes, men and ammo for Soviet style artillery tactics
Also interesting points made about tanks and drones in same pod, the death of the tank was greatly exaggerated, keep in mind that podcast was recorded just before Kursk a few weeks ago
You do realise that works both ways right? Are you seriously suggesting that the potential fall of Povrosk (fascinating how Putin not being able to retake Kursk now has all the spin aimed at trying to notch up a victory anywhere else) that the Russians are 15 km away or Vuhledar where lines have been same for years will be a strategic victory for Russia?
At this rate of advance it will take a decade or two for Russians to just regain what they lost in 2022 alone after initial successes and that’s without even considering Kursk
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Artillery is having a disproportionate impact in this war because neither side have air superiority. Ukraine up to now have not been given the means to try to achieve it. Russia has been reluctant to try to achieve it for some reason. In any war against "the West" whether that be NATO or Western Europe, it would be expected that the West would establish air superiority early on in the conflict and that artillery's impact would be considerably less than seen in Ukraine.
"Reluctant for some reason"
You mean can't. They most definitely would if they could.
How long are they planning for this special 3 day operation to go on for??? Google translate:
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I don't like this and I need an adult.
One of the most disturbing things I have seen on here🫢
I too have doubts as to whether they actually shot down that many. Far more likely, seeing as it is Russia, that they failed to launch, failed to hit their target or failed to explode
Not saying anything about the particular posters, but its interesting to note that a key Russian disinformation technique is distraction:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/disinformation-ukraine-stop-fake-org-1.6721522
It is no longer possible to solve global warming or most of the other problems the world faces. We face a constellation of problems and cannot solve them. The world as we know it will be deconstructed and, hopefully, a simpler world will emerge.
Now that you mention it, is Ol' Armageddon still knocking about?
Is he basking under the Crimean sun, as we speak, with Whitman, Price and Haddad, or has he taken up permanent residence in the NKVD Hotel at The Lubyanka?
Ffs wrong thread.
That is all shades of messed up, it really shows that all the bluster of strength is nothing but hot air.
Interesting article about Ukraine's domestic war drone production and its potential for further growth. Necessity truly the mother of invention:
Update on the situation in Kursk and Pokrovsk 3 weeks in:
The Atlas one is boiling up nicely
Putin and his leadership grew up, educated in, started in the Soviet Socialist system.
Zelensky wasn't , we weren't. The Soviet Socialist lesson would be to let Kursk burn, let everyone in it die but focus on taking Pokrovsk. That's a win and people are only people.
What's happening now is nothing to do with soviet union or ww2, that's just assigning some sort of mythology to putin which is completely false. In ww2 leningrad in siege was left because red army did not have the capability for the 18 months or so to break it , they were defending russia against a much more powerful adversary at the time nazi Germany. They only broke it with substantial us and British military aid.
This time putin has invaded a much smaller neighbour, no comparison whatsoever to ww2 and the Russian army is struggling to make tiny gains in Eastern ukraine. At the same time the west is holding back weapons deliveries to ukraine for fear of escalation. There are no convoys of aid into odessa like there were into archangel for the Russians during ww2. So this has no comparison to ww2 mythology which putin loves to exploit. It is more like ww1 or Russian imperialist wars of 19th century
Disgraceful from Biden.
he was all talk on Ukraine
