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"Any success by Ukraine is to be welcomed"
Oh well that settles it then. No one would ever in the history of the internet sends post after post laden with content against someone and then throw in a one liner supporting them 🤣
I never mentioned "da bomb" or "Nukes". I did say chemical/biological (as used in Syria is what I'd mentioned)
To say I subsequently "changed" is a lie you've made up.
How about answering the question?
How about admitting the misrepresentation of what I said before making demands.
And if you are playing silly buggers, isn't 'right' an affirmative to what you said?
And if you are playing silly buggers, isn't '….right' sarcasm on your part as if to insinuate what I had written as disingenuous. Why include it in that manner if only to make it look disingenuous?
Every time I ever read about or hear about an A10, I have to immediately go to Youtube to hear a few brrrrrrrrrtttt's
I remember hearing somewhere years ago that they could lose a half of a wing and still maintain controlled flight…
Unfortunately… right.
Is it not unfortunate? Is it good that we're still watching this?
If Ukraine shouldn't put Russia on the back foot to avoid antagonising Putin, as you advise, by invading Russia…
Nice twisting of words/outright misrepreentation; I never 'advised' this in any way, shape or form. Have a look at post 4821 - "Any success by Ukraine is to be welcomed"
Are the 2km/2 V the 1200km/s comparable to what I've said though? Povrovsk & Chasiv Yar are in no way "2km/s" loss.
If Ukraine shouldn't put Russia on the back foot to avoid antagonising Putin, as you advise, by invading Russia… Do you think Ukraine should request a ceasefire and be ready to give up land so they can have peace in the rest of Ukraine?
They don't need to be getting bogged down policing a whole city either. Peacetime population of 440k so even assuming some have left it's still an unnecessary burden. Strike at any rail and motorways in the vicinity and that would be good enough.
Would love to see them just flatten it from a distance.
You did hint at 'da bomb' - it was subsequently changed to chemical weapons (similar response too if he did use 'Da bomb') once Nukes were mentioned as a response to your original post advising not to antagonise Putin in case he gets cross.
Well if you gain 2 square kilometer in on place and loose 1200km2 in another you could be obtuse and state he's gaining ground "somewhere"… But its not the smartest point to make.
Russia is not making any net gain and they havent since they got their asses kicked in the Kharkiv and Kherson regions
Yes you're correct - fat fingers. I'd crudely pulled a line that was 55 miles.
Hopefully but the war wasn't 12 months old when we heard the same - "Russia has lost too much and are a spent force"; yet here we still are unfortunately.
There's something that you (and all the other "Putin's making gains" posters)
But he is making gains…and I've never denied the losses.
It seems you cannot reference the gains without being quickly labelled some Putin shill. Have a read of my posts on this and you'll see you're quite wrong.
Even if it was poorly defended …Ukrainian troops would be overstretched and would not have the numbers to take a city the size of Kursk …I think it was never an option anyway to take it
And in the battles at Avdiivka, Vuhledar and Bahkmut he wasted the majority of his modern armor and artillery. Armor and artillery he can't replace easily, cheaply or at a rate faster than Ukraine have been destroying them due to sanctions from the west and his throwing his workforce into the meat grinder of those battles.
Recent Ukrainian strikes on airfields, weapons stores, fuel stores and downing of aircraft will have also reduced his ability to strike Ukrainian defence lines with the glidebombs that preceded the meat wave attacks in those battles too.
He may still be able to throw barely trained, poorly armed infantry at Ukrainian lines and even back them up with some cold war/ WW2 era armor (or Chinese golf buggies) but the law of diminishing returns will certainly factor into the equation (if indeed, it hasn't already.
Hinted at Da Bomb being used
No I havent. Thats now the third time that lazy nonsense has been bandied about. I actually think 'da bomb' bluff has been called a long time ago and whould hope it remains that way but in any case your wrong, so good start.
2. Propagate the “Russia has endless manpower” meme which Kursk shows is a joke
It doesn't; Kursk was poorly defended; it's been widely commented on.
3. Are exasperated like Russians as to why Ukrainians won’t sink to their level of battlefield stupidity
Never have I even hinted at that- show me where I've said this.
4. Try to downplay the size of the area lost in Kursk by playing at the “Russia is big” meme
Not the "Russia is big" part - wrong again but that the area won in Kursk V what they are looking likely to lose & what they've lost already should also be included before we get ahead of ourselves. Granted the Ukrainian incursion in Kursk is only a few weeks old, so hopefully not finished but there's a long way to go yet.
5. Ignore the non military consequences that Putin and Russia are trying hard to sweep under rug
Like what?
There's something that you (and all the other "Putin's making gains" posters) continually overlook - or disregard: back in 2022 Putin controlled more than 50000 additional km² of Ukraine. He lost that, and nothing he has done in the two years since has recovered it. Despite the hundreds of thousands of conscripts, criminals, immigrants and other "disposable forces" that he's sent to fight, he has been barely able to recover even one hundreth of the ground he already lost.
And yet the Ukrainians managed to capture a comparable amount of Russian territory in a fortnight, with minimal losses. And destroy a few airfields at the same time. And destroy a major strategic reserve oil storage facility. And continue to shoot down most of the drones and missiles that Russian fires into Ukrainian airspace.
So whatever Putin is "managing to do" it's certainly not wage an effective war against anyone. Like his orange-tinted admirer in the other hemisphere, he is a loser by every metric.
"Still 550 miles from the city of Kursk"
To me, it looks like they are 70km from Kursk? Although I would expect that 70km to be well defended by now and I don't see any point trying to capture the city even if they did get there. But to get close enough to bring it under their fire control would be a big poke in the eye for Putin.
I think Rommel being in Germany (because of the very bad weather in the English channel) had more of a negative impact … Hitler even when notified at 10 ish was reluctant to sign for additional forces to be released, (thinking the Allies could be easily defeated anyway)
In your last few posts you have
Nope. Nowhere did I even hint at that.
Nonsensical response.
Your argument boils down to
Putin is willing to pointlessly have his men die
So Ukrainians should do the same
How dare they play this war outside the rules the master strategist has created
Edit: your username is apt
And he continues to be able to throw lives in to the meat grinder. He did it at Avdiivka, Vuhledar & Bahkmut; and as backward as that type of warfare is, he is still managing to do it. Will he do the same at Kursk and can Ukraine make it stick?
Despite all the failings you've listed there's little to suggest Putin will have an "unfortunate"😉 accident from a tenth floor window. His (current) General in charge of the response to the Kursk losses was recently indicted for war crimes against Ukrainian infrastructure; I doubt he'll shy away from continuing in this manner because of what the ICC think.
What has Putin done exactly?
So far he has placed army in charge, fired them, placed KGB in charge, fired them, now placed his bodyguard in charge and still an area larger than Russians managed to capture in a year and half at a cost of most of their tank fleet and quarter of million men continues to grow
When is he actually going to act on this pressure or red line.
He has already started.
Reminds me of later days of WW2 where Hitler was so singularly focused on the east overruling his generals that he ignore what was happening out west up to and including ordering that under no circumstances was he to be woken up on day when D day occurred and hence panzer divisions that could have potentially beaten back that invasion just sat around scratching their sacks
Yes, and ?
Just google Suwalki corridor
The point that territory in Kursk is worth less than territory in the Donbas to Ukraine isn't factually incorrect, it's just missing the wider picture imo.
The incursion has been a major PR victory for Ukraine. That's easy to dismiss the value of to many of us who think of PR as something involving vacuous bints who drink too much prosecco. In reality, Ukraine is still in this war because it's lead by Volodymyr Zelenskyy who is an absolute master of PR: from his initial video pleading with Russia not to invade and the infamous "I need ammunition, not a ride" quote he's managed to keep Ukraine in the spotlight for 3 years (amidst the Middle East falling to pieces again) and as a result has a coalition of partners in the leaders of wealthy western nations who are funding and arming his country. This foray is also making Putin look weak to Russian citizens and the Oligarchs / Siloviki around him. Might it be enough to tempt them into sharpening their knives and taking him out? Time will tell but Putin's death would be exactly the off-ramp Russia needs in order to blame everything on him and retreat from Ukraine in exchange for an easing or dropping of the sanctions that are crippling their economy.
In the realm of the more "on the ground" practical sphere, the incursion seems to have helped Ukraine to destroy a significant amount of Russia's airforce: we're hearing of destroyed or damaged aircraft and helicopters multiple times a week at the moment alongside the destruction of large caches of the glide bombs that have been doing so much damage to Ukrainian defences and demolition of infrastructure (railways, bridges and ferries) that are critical to Russian military logistics.
This isn't as simple as taking a chunk of Russia to swap for Ukrainian land in any future negotiations. It's textbook Sun Tzu: hit your enemy where he is weak and least expecting it. Yes, territory in Kursk may become a bargaining chip at some point but that clearly isn't the primary objective of the operation.
