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He is doing the exact opposite tho
And has opened the door to immigration from Russia (which by every measure is very much third world) and is deliberately trying to directly flood Europe with immigrants, and potentially much worse, how do we know these Russians that will pour in via Hungary are not murderers and rapists from this war
He's the same man that supports Putin and the Kremlin. The same Putin and the Kremlin that floods the EU with refugees through conflict in Africa, Syria and Ukraine. The same Putin and the Kremlin that pays warlords to ferry migrants across the med into the EU. The same Putin and Kremlin that tells migrants in their home countries of the benefit system in each country. Then ferries them to airports and puts them on a plane for the EU and advises them what to do. The same Putin and the Kremlin that flies them in military planes to Russia and Belarus and pushes them on and across the borders of Poland and the Baltic countries. The same Putin and the Kremlin who've organised Orban to allow Russian passport holders passage through Hungary and into the EU as part of their continued war against the EU since 2014 by using migrants. And these migrants are granted Russian passports if they'll continue into the EU which they dump anyway in the EU.
Orban is always anti EU. Using migrants was his stick though. But if he never supported Putin it would never have been half the situation it is now. He's publicly throwing his toys out of the pram, under orders from Putin and he's just threatened to bring in all the migrants through Russia with Russian passports that he's now gotten the paper work through. This is his weapon and Putin's to use against the EU. It always was. But domestically Orban won elections on it. But internationally he was supporting Putin to ratchet up the migrant situation to keep himself in power while talking from his backside publicly.
He's a dangerous dope who gets away with hell. Russian stooge.
A few reports about this
He's an absolute tramp but are you surprised Russia employs this strategy when the rate of deportations is tiny. They have Europe by the balls in this regard. Hardline approach by the EU leads to stability in Europe and Russia's dirty tactics won't win.
This is sensational. What will the actual number be I wonder -
Looks like uke had a mole within their allies and now they're operating in secret
The gloves are slowly coming off.
The danger in all of these recent Ukrainian success's is that the response from Putin also increases in its requirement for retribution - both in actuality on the ground and in propaganda.
Not really. There is more of a danger if Ukraine sits back.
How, suicide by nukes? Russia is not holding anything back conventional weapons wise.
What has Ukraine to fear by even more BS?
Look at how much of Ukraine Russia still occupies in the South compared to the comparative area taken around Kursk. Any success by Ukraine is to be welcomed, but the scale of this, by area is very small in comparison to the area already lost to the south and they are continuing to lose ground there. Russia can well afford to deal with the Kursk incursion slowly as they continue to make headway south. How long can Ukraine maintain their incursion at Kursk in reality…none of us know.
There was a concern raised earlier in the year the Russia could use biological and chemical weapons. It used Syria as a testing/practice ground previously for chemical weapons so it wouldn't be their first go at it.
Things can always get worse.
Ukraine won't 'sit back' per se, but they will have to stop very soon in terms of their current advances in Kursk. What are their options? They aren't taking very much ground nor occupying any massive area of a front line thereby tying up major Russian forces. They can't keep marching on with such a narrow advance.
Some video of this as it continued to get pummelled;
make sure to turn the captions on for full effect :)
and we were doing so well 😃
True. But if we're been honest, I do expect Putin to respond the only way he knows how to. Lashing out and destroying civilian infrastructure and accommodation.
I fully expect to hear horrific reports of hospitals, schools, power generation facilities, etc, to be targeted on a much larger level shortly.
Because thats just the kind of cnut he is.
Again true, but tip toeing around Putin isn’t a viable strategy either… as still Children’s hospitals get targeted.
The strategy Ukraine has been doing is all about defanging Putin. When they had a good chunk of Russian aircraft in range of American hardware all lined up and the US wouldn't allow them be hit. It really must have stung. Worse still when the Americans told Putin what could have happened so they moved the aircraft. Thankfully now Ukraine has their own drone manufacturing and hardware to take out Russian aircraft while lined up on the airfield without having to inform the Americans of plans. As the actor in Avatar said "How do you like when they are shooting back at you?"
Putin is beginning to realise the only way he'll have a military left is leave Ukraine. UKR put the Russian numbers at 600k lost so far. Pride and ego is still driving him to send more men to die. Pride and ego is no good if you've no airforce and navy though.
Putin has already responded with everything he can. He went full tilt ages back.
Nice little narrative you are trying to push about Ukraine only invading until Russia decides it wants to stop them.
That's not correct but nice narrative you are attempting to rewrite.
Do we know what "Full tilt" is?
Aligning yourself with Orban. What possible reason would there be for that?
Yes we do. We are seeing it.
Nobody drags out a 3 day war that is crippling the economy for 3 years because they are holding back the army for the laugh.
But sure look Ukraine can't sustain the assault, Russia can deal with them whenever they want, Ukraine are gaining no ground blaa blaa blaa
Nicely reworded with the 'bla blaa blaa' for that extra bit of expertise & reality.
If you read the above I'd already mentioned increased chemical warfare being another distinct possibility.
But sure look Ukraine can't sustain the assault, Russia can deal with them whenever they want, Ukraine are gaining no ground
If you really want to get in to it; what to you think Ukraine can do with the narrow corridor they've gained, march it all the way to Moscow? They're still 550 odd miles from the city of Kursk; can they maintain supply lines all that way and keep pushing? Ukraine has already stated that it has no intention of holding Russian territory currently occupied.
Russia are still making small gradual gains along the south eastern front, what use is 1,000s/kms when they are around Kursk. Pokrovsk and Chasiv Yar are teetering and would be much bigger losses to Ukraine than the small area they've gained in Kursk.
But tell me more about blaa blaa blaa. Stellar stuff.
I don't think they can do much from a military point of view with the land gained. It gives them a bit of extra strike range and new defensive positions but that's about it. So far supply lines are fine and it's quite possible they just stop when that becomes a problem.
But what it has done very well is gotten Ukraine back on the front pages and has been a huge embarrassment for Putin. Wars are mostly won and lost at home and I have always believed bringing the war to the Russian people was necessary and it certainly seems to be having the desired effect.
It's not a "narrow corridor" by the way. Corridors are usually long and narrow not semi circular in shape. It's more a small foyer or lobby
But what it has done very well is gotten Ukraine back on the front pages and has been a huge embarrassment for Putin
Which was my original point if you'd bothered to read it. Propaganda is great in the short term for Ukraine; making it stick is the difficult bit. They've gained in Kursk which was a poorly defended area but are potentially about to lose bad in the south.
Gen. Gerasimov has a target on his back due to Kursk failings, that heaps pressure on him to win in the South and it looks like they'll take two key areas within days unfortunately.
Wars are mostly won and lost at home and I have always believed bringing the war to the Russian people was necessary and it certainly seems to be having the desired effect.
Wars are "won and lost" where they are being fought primarily. Sure what goes on 'at home' has some affect but that cuts both ways; Ukrainian propaganda can only do so much for so long. Ukrainian conscripts are now reportedly being rushed in to service with shorter training periods- precisely what Russia did and what we heard would be their ultimate demise, yet here we still are.
This isn't 'Room to improve'. They've created a narrow, given the length of the front, incursion.
'Small Foyer'….stick to the blaa blaa blaa.
You are an Irish person and it's sticking in your craw about Ukraine taking Russian land. Now imagine you are Putin who surrounds himself in gold and palaces who prides himself as being the chief lead terrorist in the world who can't even defend his own country from invasion. What craw must that be?
That's what's it's all about. How much Russian land does he think it's worth sacrificing to have forces in Ukraine and not in Russia. And Ukraine look like they will take another district westwards. Before if there's going to ever be negotiations Ukraine had no strength and were the victims. Now at least they are pushing themselves to be on par with the Russian military at the negotiating table.
They lost their nuclear weapons when Russia and America took them away. As they were told in doing so they would always be a sovereign country protected by both. So they gave them up.
Now you are worried if Putin doesn't get his way that Putin will use those Ukrainian nuclear weapons back in Ukraine or the invaded parts of Russia. Ukrainians have been dealing with that threat and death since day one.
You are an Irish person and it's sticking in your craw about Ukraine taking Russian land.
Before I deal with the rest show me this part….
Russia appears to finally be moving huge amount of equipment and troops to Kursk.
Now at least they are pushing themselves to be on par with the Russian military at the negotiating table.
They aren't on par. They are far away from being anywhere near "on-par".
We're three weeks in, they've taken a comparatively small foyer pocket in a relatively under protected area whilst at the same time they are about to lose key areas in the south (you'll note above where I said Unfortunatley, just incase you're mistaken it's 'sticking in my craw').We haven't even seen the response from Russia in any meaningful way, yet here you are saying they're all of a sudden "on-par"; you'd think Ukraine have pulled up in Red Square.
You could also read where I posted in #4821 that "Any success by Ukraine is to be welcomed" …but do go on with the "sticking in my craw" bit.
Now you are worried if Putin doesn't get his way that Putin will use those Ukrainian nuclear weapons back in Ukraine or the invaded parts of Russia.
No..I never mentioned nuclear. That's the second time that lazy fall back has been bandied about in less than 24 hours.
Yep -
Have to hope they get lined up in range like this -
Depending how far they push, they can hold it for a long time. They're already blowing up bridges far ahead. And with the long range weaponry they have they could stop russia from creating new crossings. If they went in with the idea of capturing land with easily defendable natural boundaries then they could hold it a very long time. And that's 3 things. It makes Putin look bad, makes him divert forces and gives negotiating leverage.
