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Literally the next sentence from the one you quoted reads 'The redeployment of Russian forces and the commitment of elements of operational reserves has allowed Russian forces to slow initially rapid Ukrainian gains in Kursk Oblast and start containing the extent of the Ukrainian incursion.'
It's a simple fact, the Russian grind is yielding benefits to the Russians, as unpalatable as that might be. Also, the Kursk incursion is slowing down due in part to Ukraine losing manpower and equipment, again this is not pro-Russian stance , this is simply a fact. We both know the only way to stop this is to give UA everything it needs to take out the Russian offensive lines.
Literally yourself earlier claiming that there has been no redeployment towards Kursk by Russians
Only to now do a uturn
Can’t do link to x
I never said any such thing.
Brave souls indeed.
Looks like one to me.
In fairness, though, AVLBs are used only for short gaps and for short periods of time before being replaced by proper bridges.
Visual interpretation of their comments
Some aren't interested in facts, only in a bubble that reinforces preexisting opinions. Bit of a daft approach, but there you go. All the objective reporting is indeed saying that the advance in Kursk is offset by accelerated losses on Ukrainian territory and that Ukraine is losing a lot of equipment in Kursk, just as the Russians always did when they were on the offensive. On the plus side, they're taking apparently lots of Russian prisoners and blowing up a few bridges. The euphoria of last week has passed and the news at the moment is again a mix of good and bad
Very brave and in a way the first ones in may have been the lucky ones. Ukrainian military also said very few losses on first day or so, but a soldier on economist podcast said the glide bombs came in on day 3 and Ukraine lost dozens of men instantly. Awful reminder of just what war really is
Those glide bombs are devastating.
Hope Ukraine finds a way quickly to counter them.
Your “reporting” was an opinion piece you linked to earlier, and of course not confirmed by the BBC
Some ignore what’s reported in media and daily ISW reports and just need to constantly wallow (and propagate) in fear and dip into the Kremlin sewer of doom+gloom
and for some bizarre reason want to further the “Russia is big” narrative and got very upset over last two weeks that Ukrainians refused to oblige the meatgrinder tactics and started colouring outside the box with what we were told was obsolete way of warfare.
And to add insult to injury accomplished more in a week and half that Russia did in a year and a half, by actually working towards strategic goal which may end this war sooner
The Ukrainians themselves seem to have noted the Russian advances towards Pokrovsk at least. So far the slow Russian "grind" in Donetsk is moving them forward, but surely they can't continue indefinitely with such losses?
This is surely not sustainable
So much for “endless manpower”
Putin has broken the social contract again, surely using untrained conscripts against veteran troops is a recipe for disaster
"ordinary russians"?? Am I doing this right?
Thanks for reminder
Ahh, this might explain why the Potato King of Minsk has been getting so worked up lately
Not telling the right kind of lies obviously!
That's almost as nice to watch as a burning T90.
I don't think I would particularly like to be as near to that (and unexploded storage tanks, may or may not be full of oil?) as those firefirghters seem to be.
Your BBC obsession is getting out of hand and deeply weird. And Forbes is not a secret part of a Kremlin propaganda network as you imply, and neither am I nor most of the other people you keep attacking here. You really need to get a grip or a new hobby and quit these personal attacks on anyone you disagree with
You would imagine at some stage he will have to counter what is happening in Kursk with some actual proper reinforcements.
Sometimes you have to take the bait, or Ukraine could occupy a massive slice of the Mother land.
Unthinkable just a few months ago. 😁
That piece doesn't say Ukraine losing a lot of equipment.
It says Ukraine is losing more equipment than would be normally average, which has been very skewed in Ukraine's favor thus far.
You would 100% expect, plan and allow for additional losses during an actual offensive. The piece even notes that, and that the value of the offensive/what it's achieved can far outstrip what's been lost.
There's nothing wrong with the piece but you're implying it's saying something it's not.
Nothing anywhere suggests that Ukraine has taken particularly heavy losses, nor Russia either for that matter.
That doesn't mean it's not a major problem for Russia because they obviously didn't expect Ukraine to cross the border at any point, are struggling to respond, let alone think about actively re-taking the ground.
You're projecting things onto me that I never said. Fine, "Ukraine losing above average amounts of (very valuable) equipment, Russia however losing significant amounts of soldiers as prisoners", if that phrasing pleases you more.
Nowhere did I imply the incursion isn't worth it, I've said all along time will tell, the article makes the very same point.
Both Ukraine and Russia currently facing similar question: use your best troops to defend your own territory or use them to take enemy territory? At the moment both parties are choosing the second option
Well only Russia wants to steal Ukraine's land permanently. Ukraine has been forced into this tactic by Russian aggression.
They are similar questions but only tactically.
Agree completely of course. One side wants to steal land, the other wants to strengthen its hand for peace. But still strange symmetry at the moment tactically:
The problem is that Russia also knows this fact. They know that for any land they steal they have absolutely no intention of withdrawing from, they also know that Ukraine have no intention of staying in the Russian territory forever.
Is this why Russia are not scrambling large forces to try and take the territory in Kursk back? They probably don't give a damn about the residents there anyway.
I really hope this offensive into Kursk pays off for Ukraine, the jury is still out on that at the moment. But it's hard to see how this is going to help Ukraine defend against the Russians on their own territory at the moment, or if the equipment losses could cause more problems for Ukraine in the future.
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screams fake to me
