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Mmm reading that gave me freedom goosebumps
The talking heads are rattled!
Yeh “we overestimated our strength, and underestimated the enemy”
Jesus it took them three years to reach that conclusion? And they boasted that Russians are a smart lot.
It's tough at the top,best stay away from all windows!!
Lads, I'm not angry. I'm just disappointed.
I wonder what the Chinese make of last week
They must be getting some weird ideas about rolling over a certain border to reclaim what was theirs
Why bother? China could take over Russia through a committed programme of economic and social vassalage and never need to fire a single bullet.
it’s almost like they believed everything they were saying before and now they are in shock. :-D
Yeah according to this article both the Russians and Ukrainians have suffered significant losses in ambushes, anyone who thinks this is a walk in the park invasion is kidding themselves, a lot of people are dying on both sides:
If they stopped providing them with weapons and told NK to do the same they'd have Russia under their thumb inside 6 months. They could ask for an area the size of Ukraine just to keep the Russians afloat.
Squeaky bum time for little Luka
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-russia-latest-invasion-kursk-incursion-war-putin-live-updates-12541713
Someone tell Luka not to stray past the second floor.
On second thought, dont.
Conjures up an odd unexpected twist to the opening lines of Suzanne Vega’s song Luka.
I genuinely think Russia would cede some territory back to China in return for continued support. If china pulled the plug Russia would be Kaput.
Apparently there's a few juicy reports tonight but twitter isn't working so can't do any digging.
I did see a video on telegram of heavy Jdam type bombs being dropped on Russia outputs. Some big massive factory looking building in one of the Russian controlled villages. Great to see Russian infrastructure getting ruined for once and not Ukraine.
Ordinary.
Russian.
Citizen.
"We are meat. We were told that we are meat and nobody needs us. That we would lie there and no one would take us away,"
Russia being Russia, I wouldn't be particularly surprised if that featured in the recruitment pamphlets.
Putin doesn't do domestic violence, it's all CIA propaganda.
Another video of a previously reported crash of TU-22M
https://x.com/RALee85/status/1824244771398791271
"Russia also does not appear to be moving its larger and better-trained units away from Ukraine and into Kursk just yet"
We're in a very strange situation right now.
Ukraine are ceding ground and allowing Russia to advance in Ukraine.
Russia are ceding ground in Kursk and allowing Ukraine to advance in Russia.
Who's going to blink first? Russia are close to capturing some long sought after settlements in the Donbass. Ukraine would probably need capture a fair bit more of Kursk to get Russia to abandon that.
Great to see that Bomber crash. Very rare Russia loses those valuable planes.
I seen the aftermath of this. Lots of Ukrainians dead and many without heads. Hopefully Ukraine can figure this axis out. Those Russian SF are no joke.
The Russians have managed to hit a few , at least 2 went back to the states to be rebuilt ,
Reported that the crew of this one are safe , so that's a big plus ,
Find it difficult to read exactly how things are going as I don't want Russia gaining more ground in Ukraine while Ukraine are occupied with what they are doing in Russia .I am not convinced the cross border push by Ukraine is going to have the impact on Russia that most on here hoped .The area is too vast to gain before real panic starts with the general population to maybe put Putin in danger .I hope I am wrong of course .
Russian economy, army is gone back 100 years, the amount of resources, military equipment, missiles being lost /used daily is frightening, must be hitting a billion some days, not a mind bleeding their country of people, any that can find a way out will leave,keep it going for a few years more and they will be throwing rocks.
The idea that the incursion would trigger some popular uprising to depose Putin, that Russian soldiers would run away as soon as the first shot was fired, was fanciful and pushed by the same folk who always get ahead of themselves any time something happens. The reports from last couple of days make it clear Ukraine is doing something bold but very risky and already paying a high price, both within Russia and in terms of territory back home. I felt from the beginning only in hindsight will we see how wise and successful a move it was. Not only Putin's but also Zelensky and his top military people's reputation have a lot riding on this, particularly as it seems the West knew little about it. A delicate balancing act:
God that's grim. More wives and parents and children who've lost family, a reminder that the reality of war is a long way removed from all of us following it on the media...
Quite telling about the state of Russian aircraft…. they were really pushing the use of the TU-22's the last few weeks as a projection of force (fastest heavy bomber in the world etc…..)
Then one goes bang while doing so
Just.
Following.
Orders.
* https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders
or in hindsight how dumb it was, short of creating some short term headlines I dont see how the Ukrainians will hold on to this land long enough to turn it into a negotiating chip, Its a real head scratcher, im not sure Ukraine have expendable reserves at this stage
Go back and read this post and then let us have your thoughts…
It's easy to pick a single bad news story and come out with one-sentence pronouncements, but that doesn't do much for the overall discussion.
Edit: also, I'm not sure you have any insight into Ukraine's reserves? I'd have a lot of confidence in the Ukrainians' ability to judge the resources available to them here… they've hardly put a foot wrong in the war to date.
