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Kadyrovites: Hey, that's my wife!!!
Very often is the best form of defense.
All about controlling the means of production in Putin's drive towards the restoration of the Soviet Socialist Republic
Putin has appointed his former lover as in charge of the military operation in Kursk. Alexei Dyumin, Putin's former security guard will be in charge of "the counter-terrorism" operation of expelling the enemy out of the region. There's no indication Alexei will be personally in Kursk. His role will be to coordinate all agencies in Kursk.
Do you know if there has been an update on the attack on Lipetsk-2 airbase, greenpilot?
Would be interesting to see exactly what was parked up there at the time.
What happened to the other “defences” that stretched all way to Belarus border and Ukrainians walked over
Thinking of the gas metering station the Ukranans have now, rather than shut off the flow, would they throw the throttle open and say to us here in Europe to go fill your boots! Take the revenue from Russia and let orban and Co say no thanks ic thrg want to support vlad
Supposed deadly enemies
Hardly "supposed deadly enemies"
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Seems genuine enough to me
Why would they fight the war on Russian terms. Russia thrive on static warfare where they rely on heavily mined areas and kamikaze waves to stay in the fight. Ukraine want to move quickly and rely on the element of surprise. That's only possible in Russia as it avoids the mined areas so hopefully they take as much as logistically possible.
Kind of embarrassing that allies keep adhering to them. Like what the **** will Russia do if a few storm shadows take out a few fighter jets at airfields in Russia. They'll relocate them further back. That is all.
They should hold it and charge a transit tax seen as it crosses their land. Syphon off as much as they want to heat Ukraine too.
I would love another €50 billion package for Ukraine to be announced out of the blue.
Let’s give them what they need, they have the momentum again.
They can actually finish this off.
BBC says
I'd like to see a bit of progress on the key fronts within Ukraine itself… momentum is with them, so no panic if things don't appear to be changing any time soon, but for sure that's where the difference will be made. I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if Putin ordered the area in Russia held by Ukraine to be obliterated. He couldn't give two f***s about his own people, certainly not those outside the big urban centres.
Yes, and by doing so will increase the logistics chain, and then Ukraine start hitting them in their new locations too. The fact that Ukraine now has long range capabilities, means that they can really disrupt any airborne Russian operations.
They already do charge the transit tax. That facility is the measuring station that helps calculate how much gas is being supplied and how much has to be paid for the gas to pass through Ukrainian pipelines.
Would this be classified as a "dumb on dumb" incident.
Maybe a bit of wishful thinking on my part, but I reckon this incursion, as well as being an up-front taunting of The Master Strategist is also a deliberate distraction from … something else.
Reference has been made to how Russia continues to make small gains on the active frontline further south, and how these troops are not being pulled back to help sort out the Kursk situation. Well, maybe that's exactly the point: have Ukraine manoeuvred Putin/Gerasimov into pulling troops from another area of little activity, with the specific objective of barging in there once the occupying force is sufficiently weakened?
There's been some weird goings-on in and around the Kinburn Spit lately; wouldn't it be great to wake up one morning to the news that Ukraine had crossed the Dnieper estuary in force and was tearing up along the coast towards the "neck" of the Crimean peninsula?
Sky news says
If I was Putin I would do the bare minimum in Kursk. Let Ukraine use their manpower and other resources, which then cannot be used in the east, Ukraine cannot overstretch itself logistically, I doubt they have any interest in staying in Kursk long term.
Ukraine have much much shorter supply routes being on the inside of a semicircle
And Russians in three years of their Three Day war have illustrated time and time again logistics is not their strong point, hell only this week we have MOD reporting that they can’t even supply enough drinking water
At start of this Kursk special operation a week ago we had posts claiming Ukrainians won’t have the logistics to sustain this, yet not only the area continues to expand we have evidence of food aid being disturbed to civilians
Meanwhile Kursk governor begging Putin to pull troops from elsewhere to help Kursk
I used the term overstretch, It can happen when you are gaining momentum and you want to use the opportunity of facing little resistance to push forward. I don't know the goal of this Ukrainian incursion but I wouldn't be to worried from a Russian perspective. I was hoping they would go for the Nuclear power plant, encircle Belgorod, at least something that would warrant an immediate relocation of Russian troops from the Eastern front
"At the start of this Kursk special operation a week ago we had posts claiming Ukrainians won't have the logistics to sustain this…" What's your point? A week ago we also had people being berated for suggesting that Ukraine were looking to hold territory in Russia… what's your obsession with trying to discredit other good-faith posters? You remind me of another poster who used to do the same thing until thread banned a few months ago…
So many Russians handing themselves over to Ukraine is becoming a logistical issue. What can they do with so many POWs on Russia's own land.
We've been here before, but if 100% applied things will get interesting in Russia.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cy54nn4v471t
WOW! Maybe Putin is a master strategist after all. Who else would be smart enough to clog up the enemy logistics other than 4D level genius?
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Ah, there's loads of reasons the Ukrainian SMO into Russia is worthwhile. It really doesn't take much thinking to be honest.
Poor woman sentenced to 12 years in jail for raising 50 dollars for Ukrainian war effort
Just came across this commentary on Russian logistics, and how the Kursk incursion could have (intended?) consequences for the more active frontline areas:
https://twitter.com/Schizointel/status/1823737718582526037
It's a long thread, but here's the meat of it (slightly paraphrased to make it more readable!) :
another issue that Russia is going to face logistically in organizing a counter-offensive in Kursk currently [is that] Russian supply lines through the [Motorised Transport, as opposed to rail] Brigade will be stretched in order to supply the Russian FLOT. […] Russian forces currently engaged against the ukrainians will not have the most efficient and adequate supplies in timely manner which will likely result in more land being captured by the ukrainians which they can't afford […] if Ukraine gets too close to any of the areas that I highlighted such as Rylsk, Lgov, Chermoshnoi, Selikhovy Dvory, Oboyan, and Rakitnoe then logistically speaking, their lines to Belgorod and Kursk will be even further degraded and then it will become a siege and it will be a matter of time before Ukraine captures two major Russian population centers.[…] they cannot afford to allow Ukraine to advance further and must Marshal necessary forces to counter-attack. The problem with that though is to rally the forces needed. They will need to strip the logistical resources from the front lines in Ukraine which will make those areas vulnerable to Ukrainian counter-attack
another issue that Russia is going to face logistically in organizing a counter-offensive in Kursk currently [is that] Russian supply lines through the [Motorised Transport, as opposed to rail] Brigade will be stretched in order to supply the Russian FLOT. […]
Russian forces currently engaged against the ukrainians will not have the most efficient and adequate supplies in timely manner which will likely result in more land being captured by the ukrainians which they can't afford […]
if Ukraine gets too close to any of the areas that I highlighted such as Rylsk, Lgov, Chermoshnoi, Selikhovy Dvory, Oboyan, and Rakitnoe then logistically speaking, their lines to Belgorod and Kursk will be even further degraded and then it will become a siege and it will be a matter of time before Ukraine captures two major Russian population centers.
[…] they cannot afford to allow Ukraine to advance further and must Marshal necessary forces to counter-attack. The problem with that though is to rally the forces needed. They will need to strip the logistical resources from the front lines in Ukraine which will make those areas vulnerable to Ukrainian counter-attack
This all sounds plausible, and the recent feck-ups - stationary columns being easy pickings for the Ukrainians, and Russian Air Force bombing their own supply trucks - are reminiscent of how they lost Kyiv due to their own 40-mile traffic jam.
Incidentally, today's "Reporting from Ukraine" YT channel talks about how the Ukranians spread "get out now" information to the Kursk public, causing them to clog up the main routes into Kursk and bogging-down the Russian troops. I haven't heard any other accounts of this, but it sounds like something the Ukranians might do!
In any case, I can see a scenario developing where Ukraine gradually eliminate viable supply routes for the Russian forces still in Urkanian territory. Blowing up the Kerch bridge would then create an almightly bottleneck on the few remaining corridors and be a prime target for missile and drone attacks.
They would obviously be brought straight back into Ukraine - not safe for them to remain near the fighting (and Ukraine has a duty of care to keep them out of harm's way).
