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Open a new front. Force Russian army to redeploy from South. Morale boost.
Why is Ukraine now waging a war in Russian territory?
Generally speaking (from a military pov) is Ukr better off fighting in Russia than at home?
The Russians have to attack and defenders normally have the advantage.
The Russians have barely laid a glove on the Ukrainians in the region since the day of the invasion. The longer they stay entrenched there, the much harder it will be to get them back out again.
Definitely ,are they all there?
(But would we want them?)
A sanitory zone.Maybe Putin will appeal to Donny Von for assistance?
Looks like Ukraine attacked "Four" ruskie airbases last night…
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-russia-latest-invasion-incursion-war-putin-live-updates-12541713?postid=8128572#liveblog-body
Report of Ukrainians feeding Russian civilians in Sudzha
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/s/sCBtjCnLiV So if they have the logistics in place to feed civilians then logistics must be in place for brigades involved
Them Russians if they were smart would use this opportunity to escape Putin’s repression and join the civilised world
Interesting choice of facilities. Köln Wahn, the military part of Cologne/Bonn airport, is home of the Luftwaffe's Executive Air Wing as well as for Germany's fleet of A330 MRTTs, whilst Geilenkirchen is the home of NATO's Joint AWACS fleet. Köln-Wahn is actually pretty accessible for outsiders, since it also houses the air terminal for soldiers and their dependents heading off to overseas postings, which is open to the public. Geilenkirchen is more concerning, since it's in the middle of nowhere. Smells to me like it's definitely more than just your typical militant pacifists who are behind this…
Are Ukraine fully in control of the furthest villages or are they just advance unit or units of Ukraine recon element/elements?Just go into village and let local population see them and leave and move onto next village and state we're in this village and local population state same and then gets reported back to Russian military but by time Russia responds that unit has moved onto next village further on, rinse and repeat and causes Russia to extend its military to multiple points. Which I say is Ukraines plan. It's really working a treat for Ukraine at moment. Very much causing Russia problems and headaches that they didn't think they would have to deal with. It's just very hard to know what's going on but that's a good thing as I say Russians are in the same predicament.
Invite the Russian ambassador and embassy staff to the airbase for 'tea and refreshments'…
Lol
Yes only yesterday, seems the Russians didn’t get memo about them Geneva conventions
I wonder what German response will be? Sell less machinery that can be used to make weapons to Russian factories??
I've always found liveuamap to be fairly accurate. If I was on Telegram I'd probably follow rybar.
Interesting that this was mentioned on this thread previously.
”BBC says” sanitary zone is growing now into second Oblast
That’s 48km from Sudzha and well outside what ISW has on their map
Ukraine geolocated just out Korenevo town, an important regional hub with all the roads and rail line going through it.
It's only right that UEFA now readmit Kursk based football teams into European competitions as it's only teams from Russia that are banned.
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Domino's are falling . One village after another .
Good hits I think
Moscow
I think that in order to draw serious amounts of Russians from elsewhere, they'll have to try to hold the territory. But they haven't captured enough settlements yet in my opinion to be able to hold for very long. Most of the battles in this war are street fighting, with the Ukrainians slowly conceding ground in towns at great cost to the advancing Russians. They'll need a few more towns to go along with Sudzha to make that worthwhile for their Kursk incursion. I'd like to see them take Korenovo and Rylsk. That would be a very defensible line and would restrict the Russians to frontal attacks. The opportunity to take Korenovo might have passed however.
Exactly, anyone who suggested Ukraine would try to hold onto territory was accused of being a Russian stooge by the usual sources, now everyone seems to be saying that's the obvious goal.
I'm still not sure what the overall aim is and I don't think anyone really outside of Ukraine and their allies does. It's a very fluid situation that could still prove to be a masterstroke or backfire
Not bad for an operation stopped a week ago
Last week the idea that Ukraine was trying to take and hold territory was roundly ridiculed on here by the usual voices who don't like open discussion and exchange of views or who can't make and rebut arguments respectfully. They tend to wait to see what way the wind is blowing before shouting again.
I'd be interested to hear any thoughts from people whose views have changed over the past week, or who still see this as being something other than a land grab for negotiation strength.
Personally, I didn't see holding territory in Russia as realistic a week ago… I presumed it was a dash to destroy logistics, disrupt Russian forces, force a diversion of forces from Ukrainian lines and generally to sow panic and discord within the Russian population. I've been shocked (I really shouldn't be anymore) by how weak and ineffective the Russian defences and logistics have been. I presumed that all hell would be unleashed on any Ukrainian attempts to hold ground as opposed to sweep and move. At this point, digging in and frustrating Putin in his own country is looking more and more like a credible option.
The difference in communication from the Ukrainians this time compared to last summer is also noticeable… back then we all knew what the aim was, where things were hotting up etc. etc. If we did, the Russian's definitely did. Feedback from the front was pretty free and detailed. This time even the West are struggling to get a clear idea as to what is happening and where until it's already happened. Information about strength of forces is thin on the ground and ambiguous. There is no talk about end goal/ strategy. The Russian's are clearly a lot less sure of what is coming their way than they were last year when they had all the time in the world to dig in.
Said last week the goal of this operation was to take Russian territory and use it as a bargaining chip to exchange for other occupied parts of Ukraine. The more territory they can control, the bigger the chip they have in negotiations.
I don't see anything that changes that.
Ukraine fought hard for this, they even sacrificed some ground in Donbass so this could happen. The idea that they would just abandon these positions voluntarily would mean that territory lost in Donbass was all for nothing. Also, the battle is still not yet over. As of yesterday at least, the Ukrainian advance has not yet been contained.
The big question now is what will the Russian reaction be. They're not very good at attacking in more than one direction at once. Do they divert resources from Donbass to take back Kursk as quickly as possible, or do they try to contain Ukraine in Kursk for now and push on in Donbass.
In an investigation published Wednesday, the outlets reported that the suspect is a Ukrainian national, named only as Volodymyr Z. for privacy reasons.
and check out the route they have to fly….. puts hours onto the flight time…
