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This means russia, at minimum, has to divert significant troop numbers to its hollow core while also making them look even more impotent on the world stage which will put their other, not Ukraine, held territory under threat.
It also blows up any of their preconditions for peace negotiations heavily in Ukraine's favour.
I know you like to be contrarian here, but do try and see what this means politically and for negotiations into the future.
I don't think it is expected to be held long term but the damage to russia is already done.
There are videos on X of dozens of trucks full of Russian bodies in a smoking convoy in Kursk
Scenes not seen since Iraq
Counterattack going well I see…
The Russian army, second best army in Russia.
Question… where are the nearest known silos?
You were speechless there for a good while.
Sure, it was not meant to be permanent… unless Russia totally collapses.
But, you agree this makes Russia/Putin look very weak? Imagine if Mexico invaded the US and still had a presence there after some days? 😂
Agreed?
Large parts of Kharkiv and Kherson were freed in maneuver warfare, what’s unsustainable is pouring men into meatgrinders to eke meters here and there in Donbass at cost of soldier per square meter
Anyways “situation is difficult” 🤣
the thing is based on any generic military logic would it not fizzle out over weeks a la "Battle of the Bulge" , this seems like a move that would only make sense to a side with overwhelming superiority on the battlefield, if anybody has learned anything from this conflict it is that maneuver warfare is expensive and unsustainable
I suspect because in the end it will turn out not to be as big a deal as some here wish it to be. Bold and daring? Yes. But are a thousand Ukrainian soldiers going to be able to hold onto a large chunk of Russian territory or a nuclear power plant and use it as a bargaining chip? Extremely unlikely. Most informed media, as opposed to random people on twitter, seem to think it's a temporary diversion tactic more than anything else.
In order to put pressure on Russia, NATO countries don't even need to invade. They just need to obviously and without notification massively increase the amount of troops stationed in Poland, the Baltic States and Finland/Norway. Then when the Russians ask just say that they are doing exercises and that they have no intention of invading.
If they maintain the correct shape in their front lines are they outlining a giant middle finger image to sent putin some sort of coded message?
4) If they can hold territory (ideally more thsn Russia has in Ukraine) then they have cards to force Russia to negotiate (or simply leave Ukraine)
Even if Trump wins in November will he ignore the facts (territory) on the ground ?
5)As the Russians let Progozhin through ,will they be equally happy to let the Ukrainians through ?
6)Will other parts of the federation become restless?Will China have cards to play?
7)Will Putin just be a lame duck dictator if he doesn't kick them out of town?
Russia is being invaded. This makes the West nervous, so I don’t think they want to embarrass Russia into doing something even more stupid.
Russia being invaded is huge, but they want to see how it plays out.
Personally I think the following are Ukraines goals.
Up the bleedin’ Ukrainians.
Lipetsk airfield. Over 300km from the Ukraine border.
Maybe ,but we will have to see where this goes. That Progozhin bloke went far but does Ukraine want to go very far into Russia (if it could)
I would love this to be completely deadly and devastating (and awakening) but I have no reason to think it could be anything other than a brilliant counter punch .
But I live in hope of "slowly at first ,then suddenly " and let the Russians reap what they have sown.
Actually I wonder is this for Trump's benefit in some part?
The media won't give it wall to wall coverage because the average joe is board of it. We're 2 and a half years in. People lost interest after Ukraine's counter attack failed to make huge gains. This incursion as big as it is, they would need to take control of a Russian city or NPP to get the masses interested.
For those of us following this daily it's like Christmas come early.
That attention seeking slug no bearing on the conflict anymore he was kicked in the arse after the starlink interference debacle
Facts on the ground and all that
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy0ngzg9754o
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-battles-ukrainian-troops-third-day-after-major-incursion-2024-08-08/
Really?
very surprising. Probably the biggest event in the last 12 months and nearly nothing on it. that said, if this thread is any reflection in general interest, there's been a spike in posting, but nothing like the early days.
It may be that western media is limiting reporting on the situation for now in order to help Ukraine maintain the operational silence they require. There'll be time enough afterward to pick through the bones of what was achieved. For now, best not to give Russia any possible accidental intel.
Agree very little about this on sky ,rte news.
I’m surprised this isn’t getting more media attention given how grand of an incursion it is.
I'm sure they would agree that for the sake of peace, Russia should just give up the Kursk region.
They should mine the fcuk out any territory they take and make it as unusable as Russian has made eastern Ukraine. Make Russia pay top price for every meter they want to fight for.
It could be a good week for those opposed to totalitarianism and their lickspittles, Russia getting rattled in Kursk, it's key allies in Hezbollah and Iran likely to get the living shi7 blown out of them 10 minutes after they escalate again against Israel.
Long and difficult days ahead yet but at least this week looks up.
It's weird, all this action and there's no sign of any of the concerned posters who just want peace or are simply concerned about "stuff"? Where's engineerws and their ilk now?
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Warned: You've had a number of reminders and warnings to discuss the topic rather than posters.
Slavic civilisation does start in Kyiv, after all. This is merely Ukraine taking back what is historically theirs.
I see some comparing the move to Washington's crossing of the Delaware and attacking Trenton. The battles after Trenton showed Washington's military acumen.
Watch the bottom youtube clip before the top.
To Ukraine. Olaf Scholz has approved German equipment be used in Russia by the ukrainian forces.
There is, it’s after the no fighting in the war room.
Seems fitting for today.
