Just continued cowardice from WR, talking out both sides of their mouth, as ever. You cannot encourage players to tackle upright and then pretend to be shocked when they inevitably clash heads.
None of their pissing about has had the slightest impact on players and coaches who continue to take the risk of tackling upright as the rewards still far outweigh the penalty.
I have a nephew playing for his uni team in London. Recently he got a bad concussion during a game, couldn't remember anything, pale in the face, disoriented, etc. Bad one. Anyhow, afterwards no-one got in touch w any family and coaches didn't organise for him to get to hospital or even get home. Luckily one of his team mates texted his mum and got him a taxi to his brothers house, they took him to A&E. I was surprised the coaches/team didn't make sure he was looked after, is that common?
Not at all.
Here certainly coaches and referees have to fill out a "serious injury report" in the event of someone going off injured and there should be protocols in place that a player suspected of concussion is not left alone and is at the very least handed off to medical professionals successfully.
College teams can sometimes be a bit hit and miss though as some smaller schools are largely player/student led so they canbe a bit lacking on the admin fron , but that's still pretty bad form from the team though.
Yeah, shocking. Ive never come across it before but have no experience of uni rugby in the UK.
I coach young kids and we have to fill out a form through the irfu online after a suspected concussion. Can’t remember the exact protocols but certainly we had to follow up with the parents after.
In fairness to World Rugby the 20-minute red card is something that was pushed especially by New Zealand and SANZAR. New Zealand used it in Super Rugby in 2020 already to not impact the "integrity" of the match. Which is all rubbish, you either believe in player safety or you don't. We already see players are not tackling lower and that is why you see head on head contact, even with the threat of a red card. But reducing the sanction once again will not impact trying to change behaviour of players in tackling lower. It is a trial and we will see if the other nations actually go for it as well. I don't think the threat of lawsuits have hit the Southern Hemisphere yet so they are still a little blaisé about head injuries. I think all of the top people and commentators say the right thing on record but off the record they are probably thinking and saying the game has gone soft.
As for the other changes, what is to stop a team that is being destroyed in the scrum from just not getting ready for it? Your choice seems to be a penalty if you scrum or free kick if you don't, that does not seem right. Can the referee give a penalty instead? The problem at the moment that a strong scrum being an automatic penalty is too much in favour on the one side but this seems to be a way to mitigate that.
The perfect example of this for me is Ewels red card against Ireland in 2022. That will be used as an example of an accidental head clash and will be a 20 minute red card. England went into every tackle in the first two minutes high with a dominant hit. They knew exactly what they were doing.
On the scrum point - after a free kick the referee is supposed to escalate to penalty for repeat infringments.
It's an accidental head-clash the same way it's an accident when you crash into someone after 5 pints because for some reason that's the legal limit and there's no public transport.
This is the worst part of the rule. Bringing on someone who doesn't play the position of the guy who has gone off will result in rearranging the team on the fly and could be equally damaging to the spectacle of the game. The logic behind it is nonsense.
If a prop gets a 20 minute red and your front row subs are on, do you get to bring back on someone who as already been subbed off? Or is it uncontested scrums and you can bring on whoever is unused on the bench?
front row replacements are opened back up on a red card, the very same way they are opened up with a yellow card under current laws. There is no great new alteration to the status quo here.
if anything, it will rid us of the crazy spectacle of uncontested scrums causing a team to lose an EXTRA player.
And any game that has an appointed ref from any of the 4 provincial associations/society has to fill in form for any player removed from their games who were suspected of getting a concussion.
That's my experience. I played uni rugby in England and it was all player run. Coaching, organising matches and travel. They had no procedures or facilities for injury. Just get yersel to the hospital if you want. Nobody was going to check. There just weren't resources.
That was 10 years ago. I hope it's improved since then.
The increase in red cards for high tackles has been a pretty big change for NZ. Sonny Bill Williams's red against the Lions in 2017 was the first red card for 50 years for NZ if I'm not mistaken. But they've had a relative glut of them since then. It has to have had an impact on their ability to keep their win % up.
I wonder what will happen if a prop is red carded who has replaced an injured team mate.
Probably the same as currently happens, if they can’t bring on a prop it goes to uncontested scrums and another man goes off.
Australia getting a spanking fromSA in Brisbane.
0-33 68 mins gone
Australia looked lost out there. Joe is starting at a very low base compared to any of his previous jobs, it's a big ask. SA continue to improve their wide game, Kriel has become a fantastic player.
Lovely start by Argentina shame they couldn't finish off the score
The change in red card rules around head contact is all to do with player welfare. The real question should be whether 20 minute red cards has a negative impact on player welfare. If it doesn't, then I have no problem with it.
Argentina beat NZ in NZ...
A huge result....the lack of interest on boards is telling.
We're too busy focusing on the Olympics. Rugby has taken a backseat 😁
Hope to anyone that thinks England have improved dramatically after the summer will be given a reality check after today.
Is that the thing with the breakdancing, skateboarding for teenage girls and 3 v 3 basketball?
And Snyman pulled put of what should have been his first ever meaningful international start 🙄
This pos was seig heiling at the Belfast race riot a couple of weeks ago. Full Ulster kit on him. Jaysus.
https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/boxes-of-religious-pamphlets-found-in-loyalists-home-aimed-at-stirring-up-hatred/a204800212.html
Regarding concussion, I'm a teacher and I'd a 17 year old in front of me one Monday morning acting very oddly. On inquiry, he told me he'd had a bang to the head in a match the day before. I asked if he'd been checked out by a doctor, he hadn't and had played on despite the coach knowing. I spoke to year head who rang home. He was taken to hospital where concussion was confirmed. He told me later, he has no recollection of anything that was covered in any class for about a fortnight after. This is a rugby club in Cork.
ETA, this was in Spring 2022.
That is extremely poor and I’d be very upset as a parent if I heard of that happening in any club my kids were involved with.
Extremely poor on the part of the coaches of the team if they indeed saw/knew the kid had taken a knock.
Nothing , absolutely nothing is worth taking any kind of risk with a players health.
I'd be making a phone call to the Munster branch about the incident, just not acceptable.
Lots of changes to SA starting team to face Australia again this weekend. Not sure why both Libbok and Pollard are on the bench though.
Springbok team:
15 Aphelele Fassi, 14 Cheslin Kolbe, 13 Jesse Kriel, 12 Lukhanyo Am, 11 Makazole Mapimpi, 10 Sacha Feinberg-Mngomezulu, 9 Morne van den Berg, 8 Elrigh Louw, 7 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 6 Marco van Staden, 5 Ruan Nortje, 4 Salmaan Moerat (captain), 3 Thomas du Toit, 2 Johan Grobbelaar, 1 Jan-Hendrik Wessels
Substitutes: 16 Malcolm Marx, 17 Ox Nche, 18 Vincent Koch, 19 Eben Etzebeth, 20 Kwagga Smith, 21 Grant Williams, 22 Manie Libbok, 23 Handre Pollard
