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If (big if) it’s more than a handful men then things just got interesting as Ukraine has shown that both can play at the “grab as much land as possible before ceasefire and horse trading begins” game
Well and make Russians look incompetent again
Also seem to have grabbed some POWs
Still unconfirmed though
Rumours of Russian Aerial loss
Absolutely love this. Make the Russians drop their bombs on Russia. I'd love if Ukraine could grab a few villages for a week or two. Let Russia level the place then retreat.
I like the sound of that. We will see how long they can hold on to territory.(and how much)
Sounds great and all but what will it achieve if they are eventually pushed back while sustaining losses?
Pull Russians from elsewhere hence reliving pressure while operating in an area with few defences
It’s the reverse of what Russians tried in Kharkiv to pull troops from Chasiv Yar few months ago
Evidence of that chopper downing
Remember Low in 1945.
Interesting..
It's a very strange development, especially with using western IFV's, I guess with the restrictions being relaxed, they can do little incursions rather than relying on artillery.
Looks like the Russians were caught on the hop. 2 tanks destroyed while being transported.
It'll force Putin to have battalions all along the border for defence. Stretching manpower away from the other battlefields.
Ukraine have had to do this since the start stretching themselves. While Putin left his own side unprotected with all concentrated on the active fronts.
Now Ukraine is playing Putin at his own game and seeing what hand he's playing. So far Putin has nothing. They're walking in.
Keep an eye on the Kursk nuclear power plant.
I’m afraid this comparison does not quite hold water. I may have mentioned this before in this thread, I know I mentioned this in its predecessor, but even with the extremely nationalistic period that preceded it, both during the Weimar years and during the Kaiserreich, Germany had a generally well-developed civil society. Political discourse was robust, sometimes violent, especially during the Weimar years, but it was very much alive. Similarly, large parts of the population had received a mostly humanistic education, even with all the drill and jingoistic rhetoric leading up to and into World War 1. As such, the abhorrence of Hitler and his ideology was obvious to a lot of people. Even with a propaganda genius such as Goebbels at his disposal and playing expertly on the insulted German honour that stemmed from the Versailles treaty, the Nazis still were not able to get enough votes to gain a majority in the Reichstag, leading to the numerous manoeuvres and coalition agreement that got the Austrian NCO into the chancellery. Also, the entire Nazi period spanned only twelve years, so that even at the very end, there were millions of people who remembered the time before the war, before the “Machtergreifung”.
None of this is the case in Russia. The population there has been subjected to centuries of autocratic rule whether under the tsar, communism or now Putinism, a hyper-nationalist education and the nearly complete elimination of any attempt at building a civil society. It’s not so much that the “ordinary” Russian supports Putin’s actions, though I believe that the percentage of true believers is higher than we’d like to believe, it’s more a case of that there’s no use in complaining, so I won’t do it. From all that I’ve seen, the Russian populace is far more apathetic than what you’d see in a western country. I totally agree with you that this is no excuse to dehumanise them in any way, and I’m more than a little disgusted at some of the nicknames thrown the Russians’ way, but we should not kid ourselves into believing that the Russian population is somehow being held down purely against its will. There are far more apathetic supporters of the regime than we think. And for the time being, I don’t think we can allow ourselves the luxury of sympathising too much with the Russian population, not when that country is engaged in the biggest European land war since 1939!
Lol
Was listening to a podcast on the telegraph earlier.
The situation towards Pokrosvk is not good. Since Russia broke through the weak defenses a few weeks ago they are moving along very quickly each day.
Hopefully Ukraine can counter with something soon.
"The Russians are not piercing our defence, they are pushing it back. They are advancing 100, 150, 200 metres every day using this tactic: dropping guided bombs, then a 'meat assault', (and if those are) repelled, dropping guided bombs again, a 'meat assault' again."
I wouldn't call 100-200m a day quick. I'd call it being slaughtered for miniscule ground.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-troops-inch-forward-ukraines-east-with-waves-bombs-infantry-2024-08-02/
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The Russians were brainwashed for a lot longer than Germans (and for that matter Ukrainians who got a whole generation and half out of the Soviet mindset)
Putin is in power for 25 years now, they only had 6-7 years of “normalcy” in all of their sorry history form time they derived themselves from Kievan Rus, and even that was a clusterf@ck due to economic mess Soviet collapse left
I think this is why we're seeing the Kursk raid. Stretch the front line force Russia to move troops.
Zelensky , '' this excursion into Kursk is simply a Special Military Operation''
These Alligator helis are already pretty low on numbers. They lost a lot of them trying to hold Kherson City and when Ukraine finally got ATACMS they blew a lot up and the remainder have been barely seen since. So 2 gone is a blow because they're a dangerous piece of kit.
Coverage in the Guardian, the tankie faction amongst their readership won’t be happy. 🤡
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/06/moscow-says-ukraine-has-launched-cross-border-attack-into-russia
Lovin it
Is that for real?Pretty hilarious if it is.
Sad attitude. If you ignore people you don't agree with you firstly remain ignorant of your enemies and how they think, which is dangerous, and second lose the chance to learn from people who might know more than you.
Listening to other people is the foundation of democracy. Ignoring people you disagree with is the inclination of a dictator.
Waters is obviously a gobsh*te who also only seeks out opinions that reinforce his own views
Still ongoing
You'd wonder…is this an actual attempt to grab Russian turf as a tactical move against the Russian's Kharkiv front / to get leverage from the Russians…or…have the AFU some cunning plan in store on the other fronts, and this is just a very large distraction?
It has to be a distraction. I can't see Ukraine being willing to loose soldiers trying to hold Russian land. They are probably waiting for confirmation of reinforcements leaving Frontline elsewhere in Ukraine before they retreat. Kinda like hit and run tactics.
That's my guess too. If the Russian's were smart, they'd maintain defensive positions near important strategic points in the area and just contain the AFU where they are without changing anything on the other frontlines. But perhaps they're hoping to push Putin into making a paniced move to reorganise troops.
Afterall, the Wagner uprising went and showed us all how little internal defence the Russians have beyond the front line.
Had too happen eventually, drone hits Russian helicopter in Kursk, not sure did it crash
Sorry link wont load properly
https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1821084165267152967
